Advice for TDs with Dell Chess PDAs

This can be done with MonRoi PCMs too, in conjunction with its PTM unit.

CCA provides the top boards at its larger open events with MonRois. (Using them is not required, though most players do use them. Even if neither player in a game uses it, though, the game is still tracked on a MonRoi by a TD, usually Jon Haskel, or an assistant he’s solicited.) Players who use them can get a complete printout of their game immediately after its conclusion. The MonRoi also provides places for both players to sign on-screen for the result, as well as an arbiter (when applicable). Plus, the game can be shown live, not only on a MonRoi display in the hall, but also on MonRoi.com.

In fact, I believe there was a proposal for FIDE to require games to be broadcast with a 15-minute delay, precisely to limit cheating possibilities. (Working off memory here…I thought I remembered reading that on ChessBase.com.) Poker tournaments shown live on TV have a 5-minute delay, I believe, for the same reason.

Both MonRoi and eNotate do this easily. A player can flip between algebraic notation and an 2-D diagram of the board with a tap of the stylus. In fact, I watched a dispute get resolved in the Open section at the 2011 Manhattan Open with the help of a MonRoi unit. This dispute resolved the reconstruction of a position. Said reconstruction would have been rendered much more difficult without it.

There’s no “mining” involved. As stated earlier, the algebraic move list is readily available to the arbiter on both devices. It’s also worth noting that the move list can’t be edited from the algebraic move list.

As for battery failures, those sometimes occur with digital clocks. In either case, players are responsible for ensuring their device is sufficiently charged to run properly. My Dell PDA has never run out of battery power during a tournament game, though I do travel to tournaments with a dock that keeps a spare battery charged. This is probably overkill, though. When CCA provides MonRois for Open section players, they are charged in between rounds. I’ve never seen a problem where one has run out of power, even in a six-hour game.

I don’t disagree with this. I would merely note that such literacy can be attained without the use of a scoresheet.

…except in the cases where players don’t have complete or legible notation.

It’s worth noting that keeping up notation in time pressure is pretty much always easier on an electronic scoresheet, even in a delay time control. And you have the added advantage of having clear notation after the game, which you certainly don’t always get when there is a time scramble at the end of a control with a paper scoresheet.

I’m a traditionalist myself. I like longer, one-round-a-day tournaments. I still own a couple of good analog clocks. And when I started playing tournaments (about a month after Bill Buckner let Mookie Wilson’s grounder through), I used descriptive notation faithfully. But all of those things I listed now are basically anachronisms, gone owing either to technological advancement or circumstantial necessity.

The horse is already out of the barn with respect to electronic scoresheets. The only real reason they haven’t become significantly more popular than they already are, IMHO, is because cost is a barrier for the MonRoi, and the effort to find a device is a barrier for eNotate. When someone develops a lower-cost, single-solution hardware alternative to MonRoi PCM, even more players will adopt it. Better to get ready now, I think.

It is worth mentioning that the USCF certification for eNotate is only when running on the Dell Axim X50 and X51 PDA models. (The X50v and X51v Axims are not certified. The program doesn’t display properly on those.)

So, if anyone is using an electronic scoresheet other than a MonRoi, Axim X50 or Axim X51, they are in violation. (To avoid getting nitpicked, I’ll also mention the DGT electronic board, but they’re generally not used except to help broadcast top boards at certain events. They’re also certainly not cheap.)

Hmmm… I don’t believe so…

archive.uschess.org/ratings/elec … esheet.pdf

nothing mentioned in there about the HARDWARE platform…

Point taken, though your own page essentially tells people not to use anything else: nachess.org/enotate/learn-buy

Ah - that’s has nothing to do with certification but with functionality. The ‘v’ series of Dell PDA’s is hi-res VGA which does wacky things to the screen. We’ve only tested the non-‘v’ series plus the HP Ipaq 1955 series.

The v series just miniaturizes the display. A pair of trifocals should resolve that. :slight_smile: I made the mistake of relying on memory for the certification details, and combined your recommendations with USCF’s certification. (This doesn’t seem unreasonable, BTW.)

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I have owned an eNotate now for almost 2 years. My first PDA (X51) died so I bought another on eBay for $70 and that included a keyboard that attaches to the bottom of the unit… They call it a thumb board and it is really nice when entering the name of the tournament and my opponent’s name. The unit disconnects without interfering with the program running at all.

Sevan has done a very nice job in creating this. It is very affordable compared to the MonRoi device. My only concern is that these units will become extinct as they haven’t been produced by Dell for quite a number of years now. Sevan or someone else sure could develop a program for the iPod/iPad and Android devices and that would be nice and affordable.

A friend of mine also got one and his unit’s battery died during a game, so he had to revert back to the paper scoresheet. Of course he didn’t charge the battery before the tournament. I bought an extra battery that is larger and has an extended life, for something like $12. I always make sure there is a full charge on the unit before playing in a tournament and with the display dim function and auto off function set for 30 seconds and 1 minute, respectively, I have never gone below 50% of the regular battery life in a 4 round, one day event, with normal usage. And that usage includes using the device to give the game score in post postmortems.

There are a number of kids in our Central Illinois area that have the MonRoi device and I have examined them. It is a concern that the battery is hard-wired into the unit and in a number of years it will inevitably die and then one would need to send the unit back to MonRoi for a new battery or else it becomes useless. At $359 that is a costly unit per year of usage.

Yes, I believe someone out there needs to have one produced that is a completely dedicated unit, like the MonRoi, and is at a better cost point than the MonRoi. The MonRoi does have a monopoly on the market at this time. I guess having the programs, as Sevan is doing, is the best alternative though as there is no cost for producing a dedicated unit.

I have read for years now, the concern that someone could hack a MonRoi or make a lookalike program to the eNotate to cheat. In all honesty that isn’t a problem in usage. When someone is using a device for score keeping only, they really don’t spend much time at all looking at the device. With any unit the procedure is: press the button to turn the unit on (if the move is less than a minute though, then you tap the screen with the stylus, once); tap the piece to be moved on the screen; tap the square where the piece is being moved to and then look to see that the move was made correctly. That’s it. Either device has an automatic display dim and/or power off function so you don’t even need to turn the unit off, though you can as a final step in the move notation procedure.

If someone is simply staring at the unit, then they are studying the diagram. In order to analyze with the unit one would need to be tapping the screen with the stylus to make various moves and take backs. And that would be obvious to any looking at the scene.

I would have no problem disallowing the use of an eNotate enabled Dell if (a) I can see chess engine(s) loaded onto it and (b) I think it’s a possibility the player might use the engine rather than eNotate.

Harsh? Maybe. It all depends on context. I’m confident I’d document the situation well enough to win any appeal.

How far might TD responsibilities to check such devices extend?

Paper scoresheets do not require electronic countermeasures.

The longer this discussion goes on, the less I understand about the cost/benefit of handheld electronic scorekeeping devices as being a simple and good thing.

I am curious, Rob, how was the perpetrator detected in this case?

But does that result in ONLY that scoresheet being used? I’ve seen players at an event when a scoresheet was required on a carbon sheet, still write the moves in their own notebook. So there is a precedent that TWO scoresheets may be used, and the rules don’t explicitly forbid that.

Reading further into the thread - I see I have again been redundant (above)!

I recently just started getting back into playing - and I found myself “annoyed” at having to take the time to reenter my tournament games into my database. So I purchased a used Dell Axim X50 (Lows) on Ebay for $30. (It doesn’t even have wifi though it has bluetooth which I leave off to conserve battery life) and installed Enotate on an SD card. My thought was when the tournament was done I could just pull the card and copy the files into he database. (I haven’t actually used this arrangement yet.) I was concerned about the possible perception of cheating, so I’ve made a point of keeping it a dedicated device. Other than what comes with the OS there is no other software on the device other than Enotate. THERE IS NO NEED TO - its an old device.

Perhaps a version of Enotate for Android or iOS or the new WinMo(eventually this thing could end up on small tablets …) could - in addition to locking out other software - write an encrypted file of when it is turned on or off - so that it would be possible to check on whether the software was turned on and off during a game. This could be a reason for forfeit. (Need to change a battery during the game - do it in front of the TD.)

Like Ron, I have backup batteries ready to go. (I thought about an extended battery but didn’t want to “thicken” the device.)

I used to have a Dell Axim years ago Ron (got rid of it for newer devices - if only I had known!) and had the thumb device. Didn’t work with a case though.

Perhaps a reasonable rule extension would be that no electronic scoresheet may have a chess engine on it. TDs could require inspection prior to the event (personally, I’d be willing to pay a few dollar modest fee for this in order to not have to take time to re-record my moves electronically) or if inspected during the event and caught its reason for game forfeiture.

If I need a chess engine, my computer is sufficient.

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Yes, these Dell devices are old and I have mine 100% dedicated to the eNotate system. There really is no need to have a chess engine on that device at all.

As an aside Kevin, Sevan told me to do this and it works very well. The eNotate program is on the device. Using the file explorer of the device, I simply copy the pgn file of the game from the eNotate file to the SD card. I then simply pop out the SD card and put it into the card reader on my laptop and copy the games to the computer that way. This is very quick and easy, plus it keeps the game secure on the device until I am sure I have it copied to the computer from the card. If I had to, I could reinstall the card and copy the game again to the card. After everything is transferred, I keep the games on the SD card as an archive but delete both the games and tournaments from the eNotate program/file.

The act of cheating is apparent as mentioned in another post that the person will be tapping the screen with his stylus a lot while looking at the display, if he is using the eNotate for analysis of moves. If he’s using a chess engine instead of the eNotate, then if there is that game in the eNotate program, it will be ended as that is the only way one can go from the eNotate to another program. And once a game is ended in eNotate it can’t be re-opened to resume move notation.