There is No Crying in Chess

I agree I’ve had been paired with many annoying adult opponents, but in most instances you only need ask them once. Youngsters just don’t seem to get it. IMO any really young opponents I’ve played had bad habits. Perhaps playing too much speed chess.

I agree, a rating is a rating regardless of age. As stated, my complaint is with the chess parent that overlooks teaching their child the importance of proper behavior in competitive play.

In fact, in my experience, most of the chess parents of gifted young players I’ve met, don’t even play chess themselves. So I think that says a lot.

Would it be better if the adult asked the child “Would you like to resign?”; as in why are you playing this out. I have never seen a child presented with such a situation, I have seen 1 adult do this to another adult in a tournament I was playing in.

-Larry S. Cohen

Not meaning to detract from Rob’s post, or the many good comments that have been made regarding children players and parents, but I felt I wanted to relate an incident that happened to me last Saturday.

Last Saturday I was helping direct the Boylston CC Sept. Quads. A father and his 6 year old son came in and were asking about the strength of the lower part of the tourney. It turns out his son was rated around 650. We had a couple 11xx, 12xx, and then we went into 14xx players. They decided things were just a bit too strong for Eric. Yea, you want strong competition, but there can be a limit when you’re six.

So, not needing to play the role of House Man for the first round, and not wanting these folks to have come all this way for nothing, I offered to play Eric an official game. I explained that I was returning to chess after more than 11 years and that, currently, my rating was 1036. They agreed.

So this was an official game: clock, scoresheet, and in my case, little participant flags. One of my trademarks is having (at this level) little state flags for the participants in my games. It sort of “classes up” the games and really has been very well received when I’ve done it. Something I will remember for the rest of my life is asking Eric, “Eric, what state do you live in?” With the size of the states in New England you can’t assume anything!

With shining eyes Eric looks at me, “China!” he says.

“No,” I say. “China’s a country. I also think its a little incorrect.”

Thinking another moment Eric says, “Waltham!”

Smiling, his father says, “No. Waltham’s the town. What state do we live in?” But I had the info I needed. Eric got a little MA flag on his side of the board.

We sat down. The last thing his father said was, “You have a lot of time, Eric, much more than you usually do.” Then he went two tables away, sat down, and started reading a book. He didn’t move for the entire game.

For his part, I thought Eric was great. He kept score. He handled his clock well. About the only thing he’ll need to grow out of was a predilection for sometimes tapping his pieces with his pencil. We played to an endgame of a few pawns, and one minor piece each. He was actually 1 pawn up, but it wasn’t passed. I felt we could have moved those minor pieces around all afternoon so for only the third time in the 33 years I’ve been playing, I made a move, looked at Eric, and said, “Eric, do you want a draw?”

Eric looked at the board, looked at me, considered for three seconds, and the reached his hand out to me to shake saying, “Yea! Draw!”

“OK,” I said. Only then did his father come over.

Again, I don’t want to distract from Rob’s post, and a lot of the comments that we’ve read here have been spot on. But I thought I’d just relate a story indicating what we all know - sometimes, even with very young kids, it works. Sure, one part of me really didn’t like drawing to a 650 six-year-old, but another, better, part of me looks very forward to seeing Eric again. I think he may turn into a fine addition to the chess community.

I’m probably missing the sarcasm here, but wouldn’t this be considered annoying the opponent and contrary to the rules? One doesn’t have the right to ask an opponent to resign (or demand a draw, for that matter). I remember, in the late 1960s, watching Vik Pupols playing a much older opponent who wouldn’t resign although something like a queen down for no compensation. I left to get something to eat and when I returned, Onkel Vik had something like several queens and some knights against the duffer’s lone king and was moving them around in little patterns. It’s legal to show your contempt OTB.

In general, treating a child opponent with the same dignity and expectations one would afford an adult seems the best approach.

Multiple Knights vs. a lone King are always fun.

You could create an interesting problem: white to move and not stalemate.

Bill Smythe

This past February at the USATE my son thought he was agreeing to a draw by shaking his opponent’s offered hand; in fact the other kid was essentially asking my son to resign (the position was dead lost for my boy, so we didn’t make a big deal about it).

But even experienced players fail to understand the meaning of a handshake towards the end of games. A few years ago one of my regular opponents thought he had a mate in 2 but actually blundered a piece on the move. He moved, then got up all happy and stuff and went to the rest room. I took my piece and on his way back into the room he offered his hand. About 20 minutes later I saw that he’d entered the result as a win for him!!

No biggie – we’re friends. We set up the position and he turned beet red when he saw that he’d actually dropped a piece. We continued playing and I won.

Since then, I’ve sworn that whenever someone offers me their hand I will ask the purpose of this gesture.

And a TD, in similar situations, can always rule that the handshake did not represent a meeting of the minds; therefore, there was no resignation and no draw agreement; therefore, the game did not end; therefore, keep on playing.

Bill Smythe

How many 7-year old kids resign at all? Very few to none! I’ve played B and C players at that age who made me execute a checkmate. No, I was not offended, as I would be by an adult or even a more mature junior.

Frankly, I would be upset at the adult who turned this compliment, even if inappropriate during the game, into a leading question like “Is this a resignation?”

Michael Aigner

One time I had an opponent try to “intimidate” me into a draw. Not by threats or anything, he tried pulling that move a batter tries to make when he has a 3-ball count. The pitch comes, the batter starts walking to first base, hoping the ump will thus call it a ball.

It was opposite colored bishops, with me a pawn up. I definitely had the advantage, and was intent on trying to win, at least for awhile. Now, I’m not the type to beat a dead-horse position. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’ve agreed to draws in won positions, but was too bored to play another 100 moves or so. But there was definitely still play in this position, and not just on the hope of my opponent making a dumb error.

This dude stands up after making a move, announces in a loud voice "OPPOSITE COLORED BISHOPS: IT'S A DRAW". I got a little angry, I said "sit down, i'm still playing". His scheme didn't work. I actually did have a winning position as it turns out, and did win the game. Probably my opponent saw this even before I did and tried to get that 4th ball and walk...

Sometimes you can take advantage of people’s belief in that principle. At one US Open near the end of the first time control I offered a rook trade to my lower-rated time-pressured opponent which would leave us with K+B+6P each with the bishops travelling opposite colored squares. He didn’t have enough time to calculate that it was really a decisive position and he took the rook trade.

Quite correct, and a very good point. I have seen little miscreants grab their opponents
hand, shake it, and then announce thank you for the draw, when they are a queen down. Uh, not so fast… And I have also seen players in a hopelessly
lost situation put out their hand. Their opponent naturally assumes they are accepting
a resignation, and then to their amazement, the loosing player announces “DRAW
AGREED!!!”“” Uh, not so fast, here either…

Rob Jones

Never say “never.”

Our tournaments have an age limit and it’s announced in advance publicity. It goes like this:

"Junior players (under fourteen years) rated 900+ are welcome. Sorry, but we do not accept junior players rated under 900. "

We do this because we have limited space, and we have a lot of K-8 aged chess players in our area, and they have a lot of scholastic tournaments they can play in. On the other hand, we do want to allow adults a chance to jump in the pool and give it a try.

Strictly speaking, that’s not an “open” tournament. An “open” tournament is just that – anyone may enter the tournament provided the membership requirement is met. If a tournament has multiple sections, the “open” section is open to all comers, regardless of age or rating (or anything else).

Very true. It’s not an open tournament if there are age restrictions. I was responding less to the “open” angle and more to the “I’ll never see age restrictions” comment.

The larger point is organizers have all manner of options.