Unrated players eligibility for under prizes

[jwiewel]

@Micah Smith

@eastside

Rule 33 contains recommendations. Recommendations typically use words like “should”.

OK, but in this instance, using the word “should” makes it appear that an unrated player should not be eligible for a prize such as “U1500” but that you could award them a “U1500” prize without adding “/unrated”.

Correct.

The recommendation is that an organizer “should” design the tournament with unrateds not eligible for a prize such as U1500, but the organzer “can” ignore that recommendation and have a U1500 prize with zero-rated players (another way, somewhat shaky, of viewing unrated players) eligible for the prize.
Organizers doing so without announcing it run a risk of players complaining if an unrated is given a Uxyz prize (with the further risk that the rules committee might rule that the organizer gave the wrong awards and needs to give out the correct awards). Multi-section tournaments that allow unrateds in the class sections generally have pre-specified limitations on how much the unrateds can win in those sections and have thus satisfied that need for announcing it.

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@jwiewel

Multi-section tournaments that allow unrateds in the class sections generally have pre-specified limitations on how much the unrateds can win in those sections and have thus satisfied that need for announcing it.

I generally prohibit adult unrateds from any really low sections that I organize. That takes care of prize limits.

Alex Relyea

[wintdoan]

@Micah Smith

@wintdoan

@Micah Smith

@wintdoan

33. Some Notes About Prize Funds
    These are recommendations, rather than rules or mandates, but are included since some less-experienced organizers may find them useful.

33 is for organizers, not players. 33F says what it’s supposed to say—you can include prizes like D/E/Unrated, but it’s not recommended. 28D is the rule for handling claims for prizes by unrated players. They have two distinct purposes, which is why they don’t say the same thing.

Yes, and my points are:

1. The wording “should” should be taken out since it’s confusing.

2. It would be good to explain for the less-experienced organizers when a prize like D/E/Unrated would be OK,

I believe the appropriate response was “Oops. I didn’t see the preamble to 33”.

This is only confusing because you don’t want to read an entire paragraph, or in this case, even a sentence (“Should not generally be” needs to be read together, and means exactly what is intended: you can, but we don’t recommend it, which of course, the very next sentence says even more explicitly.)

Nope. I read the whole thing and it’s still not 100% clear. A top level TD at my club was also confused by the wording.

Perhaps rather than promulgating your confusion to other members of your club, you could now explain to them what it means when taken in the context in which is it intended.

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@jwiewel

@Micah Smith

@eastside

Rule 33 contains recommendations. Recommendations typically use words like “should”.

OK, but in this instance, using the word “should” makes it appear that an unrated player should not be eligible for a prize such as “U1500” but that you could award them a “U1500” prize without adding “/unrated”.

Correct.

The recommendation is that an organizer “should” design the tournament with unrateds not eligible for a prize such as U1500, but the organzer “can” ignore that recommendation and have a U1500 prize with zero-rated players (another way, somewhat shaky, of viewing unrated players) eligible for the prize.
Organizers doing so without announcing it run a risk of players complaining if an unrated is given a Uxyz prize (with the further risk that the rules committee might rule that the organizer gave the wrong awards and needs to give out the correct awards). Multi-section tournaments that allow unrateds in the class sections generally have pre-specified limitations on how much the unrateds can win in those sections and have thus satisfied that need for announcing it.

in small local tournaments three words for those who complain about such-- Get A Life

Rob Jones