The TD is never REQUIRED to put on a delay clock in response to an insufficient losing chances claim. It’s TD discretion, and TDs have widely differing philosophies in this regard.
Either player, however, IS allowed to require the use of a delay in his own game, PROVIDED he does so at the start of the game (so that the delay is in effect throughout the game), furnishes a delay clock and knows how to set it, and is on time for the round.
Bill Smythe
This was a 5 minute game, so I don’t think the TD could have put a time delay on it, but nevertheless, if he did, it would have been a draw, which is the same in both situations.
If your opponent did have time on the clock, the director could have used a time delay clock with two seconds. As blitz is two seconds, quick is three seconds, classicial is five seconds.
Thanks Bill, I stand corrected. Putting in a time delay clock is at the TD discretion. I had not realized that. I simply always do that as the alternative of having to be in the middle of deciding whether a position is drawn or not and I encourage all my club players to use time delay clocks whenever possible to avoid these situations.
And ThunderChicken the point we are all making is that no matter what the claim is, it doesn’t matter…your opponent cannot make the claim AFTER his flag has fallen unless you had NO mating material left on the board when the flag fell. In all these other cases, you would have the win.
Well, here’s another thought.
There may not be any data to show it, but how many times have you played in the internet against someone who had an internet rating that didn’t match their USCF rating? In many cases I’ve seen the internet ratings are overblown. In particular, I know of one person who had an internet rating of 2000, but the USCF rating was in the low 1200s.
That’s why I don’t see the USCF mixing the rating pools. Leave them as they are, since they are two different animals.
Radishes
Doug, did you read what he said?
Thunderchicken didn’t ask the TD to turn a win into a draw. Instead, he ARGUED for the win, which, given the fact that the flag had already fallen, was the right result.
But rather than get into a long, protracted argument, he AGREED to a draw, because he felt he had a better things to do.
No trying to overturn the TD, just trying to make it easier. Can you accept that, Doug?
Radishes
This whole thread has turned into one big cluster mess.
Radishes
That question was answered a number of posts back. At the time did not have all the information, did not know he was the playing director, or at some other tournament. The proof if it was a draw needs to be proven before the flag falls.
If I have a triple occurrence, my scoresheet does show a triple occurrence, than walk away from the board without talking to my opponent. If I do not inform my opponent of the triple occurrence, or the director of the triple occurrence, only to let my flag fall. If my opponent informs the director of the flag fall, without informing the director of the triple occurrence first – should I still get a draw? What if I do not inform the director till the last and final round – should I still get a draw? When would it be too late to report a triple occurrence when the players flag falls? How can one second after the flag falls be equal to reporting after the final round is paired with active games?
The director made an error, thunder is a director in his own right and he made an error. There is no course of action to over turn a bad ruling.
This thread has wandered off the subject, so I’m closing it.