No clocks / no time control

[ESchlich]

HI Brian:
Seeing how your first post asked if they were ratable, I assumed that was the goal.
Regards, Ernie

[tmagchesspgh]

Since there seems to be an attempt to introduce the kids to rated tournament play, would it not be better for them to play in an actual tournament like the ones kids usually play in? These informal things look like they might confuse players and parents who will expect the normal tournaments to operate just like the one proposed.

Have seen this type of ASAP tournament run before. The fast players (hares), who usually play badly, then get to play other fast players, and get to play more games. More games means a chance at bonus points. Little real learning is going on. The slow, careful players (turtles), who usually play better, play fewer games. The fast guys/girls get higher ratings at first but are badly disappointed when they play in a formal event. They do not understand why they are losing to lower rated kids (turtles). A few get really discouraged.

It works better with the kids if you give them and the parents guidesheets on how clocks work, how to write down moves, tips on playing, and how a tournament works. This is appreciated by the parents who want to enhance their children’s experience and see that they are learning to do the right thing. Whether they use a clock or not in a game is not as important as their knowing that a game takes place within a certain time period and that racing to finish a game is not productive. Emphasis should be on the tournament as a learning experience, not a quest for ratings or trophies.

[Allen]

@tmagchesspgh

Rating an event with no clocks or time control? Presume no writing of moves or paying much attention if the kids are following rules. Are you really rating tournament games or just gathering random casual games and sending them in for rating? I guess as long as the USCF gets a rating fee, following a format or the Rulebook seems largely irrelevant. This may be a slippery slope problem if there is such little formal organization to an event.

What would the USCF do if a TD was just sending in for rating casual games from his scholastic classes as if they had played the games in a tournament? Some kids play 2 games, some 6 or more in a two hour session; an ideal way to get bonus points if you beat enough bunnies! Wasn’t a TD chastised last year for sending in strangely paired events, tournaments that were rigged?

Actually the problem was that the TD was sending in events that resulted in his own rating soaring without clear evidence that games were played.

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@Allen

@tmagchesspgh

Rating an event with no clocks or time control? Presume no writing of moves or paying much attention if the kids are following rules. Are you really rating tournament games or just gathering random casual games and sending them in for rating? I guess as long as the USCF gets a rating fee, following a format or the Rulebook seems largely irrelevant. This may be a slippery slope problem if there is such little formal organization to an event.

What would the USCF do if a TD was just sending in for rating casual games from his scholastic classes as if they had played the games in a tournament? Some kids play 2 games, some 6 or more in a two hour session; an ideal way to get bonus points if you beat enough bunnies! Wasn’t a TD chastised last year for sending in strangely paired events, tournaments that were rigged?

Actually the problem was that the TD was sending in events that resulted in his own rating soaring without clear evidence that games were played.

Since there’s been more than one such case, you might be talking about different events.