Pay attention in class, please. That’s why I wrote “… leaves out a couple of qualifiers.” The general case is as Bill stated. The special case of sudden-death time pressure is covered by the cross-reference to 11D1 in the penultimate sentence. I had thought this point was obvious.
You included the “qualifiers”. Mr. Smythe did not.
The “special case” just happens to be the topic of this thread.
I agree with the thinking that the game is a Stalemate since that is the position that occurred prior to a player making the double move claim. That is how I would have ruled.
However, in this case since the TD took time to determine what happened, established that a player had moved twice–a condition to which both players came to agree upon–the game should have been played from the position prior to the double move. It doesn’t matter, in my view, that the player didn’t use the words “ilegal move” at this point because the TD had established that an illegal move had, in fact, occurred. I would have added 2 min to the clock of the offended player and allowed play to continue from the last “agreed upon” correct position.
Chris … it was great working with you during this tournament! And I thought I had some “challenging situations” in my sections!!
Mike Hoffpauir
ANTD
Assuming the I agree with the rest of your post, which player is the “offended player”? The one who moved twice in a row, as the original poster seems to think, or the one who hit the clock without moving?
Alex Relyea
Yes.
So… What DID happen in this case?
The floor TD ruled the game a draw and so did the Section Chief based on the fact that stalemate ends the game.
I upheld this ruling based on the black and white wording from rule 11D1d, which states “If either play has less than five minutes remaining in a sudden death time control and the illegal move is not corrected before either player is stalemated with a legal move (14A), then the illegal move stands and there is no time adjustment if the game is still in progress.”
No decision could be made regarding whether white hit the clock without making a move as this was never proved, although both players did agree that black moved twice for some reason. Either way, black should have made his claim at that point in time (or at least before white completed two more moves if claiming an illegal move) rather than continuing and finishing the game.
I had a lot of sympathy for the player with the black pieces but obviously had to enforce the rule as it is written. My decision was actually appealed to the Chief TD who was about to make a decision when the player dropped his appeal as he had to leave to get to the airport in time for his flight.
I had meant to post this earlier, but didn’t get around to looking it up. Comments by Larsen from the tournament book.