Promotion

[relyea]

The 2017 Cadet had a Blitz playoff before the main event to determine tiebreaks. In one game {note, colors and squares are estimates. Moderator Messenger was watching more closely and may be able to correct the details.} Black placed a queen on d1 and removed a (black) pawn from d2. There was a claim of illegal move. We ruled that it was a perfectly legal way to promote since black used the same hand. Note that in FIDE Blitz using two hands results in an immediate loss of game. If you look at the pgn of the games on my website, you’ll see an FM lost on move 5 because he castled with both hands.

As an aside, if we were required to use the same rules as the rest of the world does, he would never have gotten into that habit in the first place.

Alex Relyea

[BobMessenger]

@relyea

In one game {note, colors and squares are estimates. Moderator Messenger was watching more closely and may be able to correct the details.} Black placed a queen on d1 and removed a (black) pawn from d2.

Not that it matters much, but if I recall correctly, White placed a queen on d8 and then removed his pawn from d7.

[brennanprice]

Proper decisions in both cases, gentlemen. The tiebreak-in-advance effort is interesting, although I really prefer to let Sonnenborn-Berger ride in a round robin.

[BobMessenger]

@BobMessenger

Not that it matters much, but if I recall correctly, White placed a queen on d8 and then removed his pawn from d7.

Oops, make that “her pawn”, not “his pawn”.

[Micah_Smith]

@relyea

The 2017 Cadet had a Blitz playoff before the main event to determine tiebreaks. In one game {note, colors and squares are estimates. Moderator Messenger was watching more closely and may be able to correct the details.} Black placed a queen on d1 and removed a (black) pawn from d2. There was a claim of illegal move. We ruled that it was a perfectly legal way to promote since black used the same hand. Note that in FIDE Blitz using two hands results in an immediate loss of game. If you look at the pgn of the games on my website, you’ll see an FM lost on move 5 because he castled with both hands.

As an aside, if we were required to use the same rules as the rest of the world does, he would never have gotten into that habit in the first place.

Alex Relyea

But castling with one hand is the US Chess blitz rule as well

@relyea

As an aside, if we were required to use the same rules as the rest of the world does, he would never have gotten into that habit in the first place.

Alex Relyea

Maybe you should have submitted an ADM for us to switch to FIDE rules at this year’s US Open

[relyea]

@Micah Smith

But castling with one hand is the US Chess blitz rule as well

Yes, but it is not considered an illegal move.

Alex Relyea

[10mostwanted]

@relyea

@Micah Smith

But castling with one hand is the US Chess blitz rule as well

Yes, but it is not considered an illegal move.

Alex Relyea

then, what’s the point? a slap on the wrist? one can only castle once per game.

and, what IS considered the correct way to promote?

…scot…

[relyea]

@10mostwanted

then, what’s the point? a slap on the wrist? one can only castle once per game.

Time penalty for annoying the opponent?

Alex Relyea

[Smythe_Dakota]

@10mostwanted

… and, what IS considered the correct way to promote?

FIDE has recently made it clear that, as long as the promoted-to piece has been placed on the eighth and the pawn has been removed from the seventh, any method is OK. For example, you may place the queen on e8, then remove your pawn from e7. Or you may physically push the pawn to e8, then remove it and replace it with the queen. Or, just remove the pawn from e7 and place the queen on e8. Etc etc etc.

This change apparently came about because some idiot FIDE arbiter penalized a player for placing the queen on the eighth and then removing the pawn from the seventh. I think there may also have been an idiot US Chess TD somewhere who did the same thing.

So, have it your way – as long as the queen is on the board and the pawn is off the board before you press the clock.

Bill Smythe

[10mostwanted]

thanks, bill!

cheers, …scot…

[relyea]

One minor correction. You must only use one hand for all this, otherwise it is an illegal move.

Alex Relyea

[Smythe_Dakota]

@relyea

One minor correction. You must only use one hand for all this, otherwise it is an illegal move.

True, and another correction (or clarification) would be that you must have taken your hand off the queen and removed the pawn from the board before you press your clock.

But this clarification could be considered a corollary to using only one hand, I would say.

Bill Smythe

[wintdoan]

@Smythe Dakota

@relyea

One minor correction. You must only use one hand for all this, otherwise it is an illegal move.

True, and another correction (or clarification) would be that you must have taken your hand off the queen and removed the pawn from the board before you press your clock.

But this clarification could be considered a corollary to using only one hand, I would say.

Bill Smythe

Of course, one has to drum into the newbies that the proper procedure is NOT to push the pawn to the eighth, hit the clock and tell the opponent “Queen me”.