A FIDE Rating Regulation Change

[Sevan_Muradian]

For those of you that do or plan to organize some FIDE rated tournaments there was a change done in the rating regulations that went into effect July 1, 2013.

Previously for a rated (non-title norm) tournament, there was a maximum of 3 rounds per day. That has been removed in the latest rating regulations. The only maximum provided now is 12 hours of play in a single day.

So now it’s possible, for a tournament that has only players rated under 2200 FIDE (mind you this is FIDE 2200), you can do a 4R-SS event with a time control like 60 30 (because this would provide 90 minutes of think time based on 60 moves). Yes that would be a looong day but it’s possible. Also I don’t foresee the games really going that distance with this time control.

You could even do something like 75 15, that might lead it to close to G/90.

Or do G/90 w/5-sec delay.

So something to think about for those of you that are interested…

[nolan]

Sevan, wouldn’t G/90;d5 for 4 rounds result in a little more than 12 hours of playing time? Or does FIDE ignore the d5 part when computing the playing time?

[Sevan_Muradian]

@nolan

Sevan, wouldn’t G/90;d5 for 4 rounds result in a little more than 12 hours of playing time? Or does FIDE ignore the d5 part when computing the playing time?

Yeah you’d ignore it like you’d ignore over 60 moves for an increment time control.

[Micah_Smith]

Is G/60 going to become FIDE ratable for all rating levels?

[Sevan_Muradian]

@Micah Smith

Is G/60 going to become FIDE ratable for all rating levels?

Not at the present moment. That is under discussion at the current time.

[Sevan_Muradian]

Another development here.

For those of you that run quads and would want to do a FIDE rated quad (standard rating or regular rating in USCF terms), normally this would be considered (from a FIDE rating fee perspective) a round robin tournament and the rating fee based on the average rating of the quad. In most club cases that would be 50 euros which is highly prohibitive.

I queried FIDE how to resolve this issue and what was returned back as a response was to have the event submitted as a Swiss and the fee would be 1 euro per FIDE rated player.

This does create some additional work for the arbiter (keep a separate section in Swiss Sys that has all players and then manually adjust the pairings in that section to match what the pairing would look like for the quads) but still something that is feasible if someone is willing to do the work.

So information for those of you that wish to do something like this.

[tzs]

@Sevan Muradian

This does create some additional work for the arbiter (keep a separate section in Swiss Sys that has all players and then manually adjust the pairings in that section to match what the pairing would look like for the quads) but still something that is feasible if someone is willing to do the work.

Is there a downside to actually running a quad as a 3 round Swiss and dispensing with adjusting the pairings to simulate a round-robin (provided it is advertised as a “Swiss quad”)? Of necessity, since the “cannot play the same person twice” rule is inviolate in FIDE’s Swiss pairing rules, every player will end up playing every other player, just like in a round-robin quad.

–Tim Smith

[Sevan_Muradian]

@tzs

@Sevan Muradian

This does create some additional work for the arbiter (keep a separate section in Swiss Sys that has all players and then manually adjust the pairings in that section to match what the pairing would look like for the quads) but still something that is feasible if someone is willing to do the work.

Is there a downside to actually running a quad as a 3 round Swiss and dispensing with adjusting the pairings to simulate a round-robin (provided it is advertised as a “Swiss quad”)? Of necessity, since the “cannot play the same person twice” rule is inviolate in FIDE’s Swiss pairing rules, every player will end up playing every other player, just like in a round-robin quad.

–Tim Smith

If you put into SwissSys (since that’s what I use) the 4 players and mark the tournament as RR, it will automatically do the pairings for you, there’s no need to do it as a Swiss Quad. So I’m not sure what your question there is.

However look at this example to clarify what I meant by my post.

I have 28 players so enough for 7 quads. I would create a separate section in SwissSys for each quad and place the players in there and pair them as a RR.

For uploading to the USCF system that would be ok if it was just USCF rated but when we’re dealing with FIDE we have two issues to concern ourselves with: in the upload to USCF you have to mark each section FIDE which would incur the RR charge for each section ($60 USD) and you’d create a lot of manual work for Walter (which we shouldn’t do).

If we maintain another section in SwissSys that is a ‘Combined’ type section and manual re-enter the pairings based on what the actual pairings from the other sections are done, we (a) can upload that up to USCF as a Swiss and then mark the section as FIDE rated so you only get charged the 1 euro per player fee (or however the equivalent is done in our system) and then provide the appropriate file (in this case would be called something like Combined.3C) to Walter for easy submission to FIDE. If it’s all done in a single section when submitted to FIDE we wouldn’t get hit with the multiple section charges.

Again a bit more work for the arbiter, but if you’re wanting to do it, here’s a way.

[martinak]

@Sevan Muradian

If we maintain another section in SwissSys that is a ‘Combined’ type section and manual re-enter the pairings based on what the actual pairings from the other sections are done

You don’t need to re-enter manually, just do a Merge (under the Utilities menu) and use the merged section.

[Sevan_Muradian]

@martinak

@Sevan Muradian

If we maintain another section in SwissSys that is a ‘Combined’ type section and manual re-enter the pairings based on what the actual pairings from the other sections are done

You don’t need to re-enter manually, just do a Merge (under the Utilities menu) and use the merged section.

Good point. Thanks for the reminder!

[nolan]

Sevan, what’s to stop someone from running a 10 player RR and submitting it as if it was Swiss pairings? What about an 8 player RR? What about a 6 player RR? Where’s the line?

[Sevan_Muradian]

@nolan

Sevan, what’s to stop someone from running a 10 player RR and submitting it as if it was Swiss pairings? What about an 8 player RR? What about a 6 player RR? Where’s the line?

Nothing stops anyone from doing it. You could do it today.

I’m sure there would be consequences once abuse was identified.

[nolan]

But they’re willing to at least informally sanction submitting a small RR, ie a quad, as a swiss, they should tell people where the line is or redefine the rates for RR events to say something like ‘RR events with X or more players in them’ or ‘RR events with X or more players in them or an average rating over Y’.

Otherwise they will cultivate a culture where what’s legal is based on who you know.

[Sevan_Muradian]

@nolan

But they’re willing to at least informally sanction submitting a small RR, ie a quad, as a swiss, they should tell people where the line is or redefine the rates for RR events to say something like ‘RR events with X or more players in them’ or ‘RR events with X or more players in them or an average rating over Y’.

Otherwise they will cultivate a culture where what’s legal is based on who you know.

Fair enough. I can bring that up in our next round of commission meetings.