Are kids becoming the majority in large tournaments?

I played the Southwest Open in Texas last weekend. In both the U1400 and U2000 sections, the majority of players appeared to be under age 18. All 6 of my opponents in U1400 were 10-12 years old. (Three were female, which was a nice change.) I don’t mind playing kids, but playing ALL kids is depressing, since most of them seem to be advancing quickly and thus are underrated. My old brain is not advancing so quickly.

My husband in U2000 also faced only kids, no adults.

I am wondering if this is happening everywhere, of if the Dallas/Fort Worth area is a special area due to the presence of UT Dallas, with plenty of strong players to serve as coaches.

What has been your experience in other areas of the country?

This has been building for a while. Not only do they have the overall numbers, the number of strong young players has been increasing as well.

Players under 20 were in the majority in the Under 2200 section of the 2019 World Open, which is by no means a weak section, and made up nearly 45% of the Open section.

The number of scholastic players at large weekend tournaments has increased sharply over the past decade in Northern California. In most tournaments these days, I face more kids than adults. Sometimes I don’t get paired with anyone over 16 in the master section! In my last Continental Chess Association tournament, a 9 year old girl shared first place with two adults: a GM and a strong IM. I personally played four opponents of average age 11, plus one gentleman in his 50s. (Against which one did I score my only win? Yes, it was a rough weekend for this pawn.)

Frankly, this has become the new normal in California. In the Open or Master section, juniors comprise 65 to 90 percent of the field. In the lower class sections, that statistic increases to 80+ percent. Even teenagers complain about playing too many younger kids!

Where have all the adults gone? Sadly, many have quit playing competitive chess. Their own increasing age coupled with the youth of the (underrated) opposition has become too difficult for them to overcome. However, some continue playing at weeknight chess clubs with a one game per week format. Indeed, the young monsters cannot stay up to 10PM or later on a school evening.

As a coach of many advanced juniors, I admit to contributing to this problem.

OLM Michael Aigner

NTD and super organizer Wayne Clark joked in the past that he wanted to hold an event where the participants had to have a lease or deed in order to participate–be careful what you wish for.

Here’s a table showing participation in regular-rated events by fiscal year and age group. Age is as of 5/31, so each player is counted only once in any fiscal year:

[code] year count 12/below 13-15 16-19 20-24 25-49 50-64 65/up


1992-05-31 33949 9305 4060 4395 1415 12213 1762 779
1993-05-31 39104 10315 4129 3871 1802 15617 2350 996
1994-05-31 43748 12894 5070 4431 1843 15900 2508 1075
1995-05-31 48596 15227 6149 5032 1872 16538 2644 1109
1996-05-31 50441 16729 6559 5309 1728 16243 2725 1119
1997-05-31 52853 18287 7067 5815 1657 15934 2924 1140
1998-05-31 54542 19638 7470 6097 1645 15411 3087 1164
1999-05-31 54225 21430 7363 5965 1452 13750 3109 1137
2000-05-31 54718 23239 7305 5755 1476 12696 3146 1085
2001-05-31 56018 25808 7724 5592 1451 11162 3175 1087
2002-05-31 58366 27641 8007 5414 1521 11350 3309 1106
2003-05-31 63306 30372 9113 5951 1601 11732 3385 1139
2004-05-31 60975 28660 8615 5915 1592 11388 3600 1191
2005-05-31 56638 26875 8097 5649 1468 9740 3629 1204
2006-05-31 55544 27838 7861 5677 1415 7916 3639 1210
2007-05-31 55119 28233 7541 5371 1510 7351 3870 1246
2008-05-31 55574 27963 7674 5417 1683 7307 4188 1350
2009-05-31 54310 27082 7448 5135 1777 7095 4387 1387
2010-05-31 53629 26922 7147 4960 1787 6857 4462 1495
2011-05-31 53784 27355 7136 4896 1640 6681 4541 1534
2012-05-31 56148 29390 7313 4846 1711 6733 4455 1701
2013-05-31 58873 31114 7690 5191 1748 6815 4427 1890
2014-05-31 62070 33610 8157 5280 1761 6939 4306 2019
2015-05-31 64788 35265 8728 5705 1669 6955 4353 2118
2016-05-31 68079 37358 9426 6080 1767 6981 4258 2213
2017-05-31 71177 39362 10075 6405 1808 7010 4132 2389
2018-05-31 73748 40913 10460 6666 1926 7216 4077 2494
2019-05-31 73752 40238 10805 6700 2040 7303 4016 2650
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And here’s a second table showing only those players who had a post-event rating of 1600 or higher:

[code] year count 12/below 13-15 16-19 20-24 25-49 50-64 65/up


1992-05-31 10505 69 188 494 727 7575 1072 368
1993-05-31 12516 66 169 509 849 9065 1390 455
1994-05-31 12130 98 162 473 766 8655 1475 483
1995-05-31 11730 68 168 436 732 8337 1483 492
1996-05-31 11299 77 197 441 607 7962 1512 489
1997-05-31 10744 83 196 453 588 7290 1628 493
1998-05-31 10149 84 216 480 575 6729 1582 473
1999-05-31 9040 82 210 469 488 5808 1533 442
2000-05-31 8394 70 203 457 454 5255 1520 429
2001-05-31 8014 103 252 493 448 4714 1568 431
2002-05-31 8326 119 297 599 569 4566 1702 467
2003-05-31 8547 139 369 677 627 4521 1742 465
2004-05-31 8834 157 407 766 644 4468 1870 516
2005-05-31 8891 183 455 810 670 4277 1970 524
2006-05-31 8493 214 423 799 689 3891 1946 531
2007-05-31 8444 223 444 795 692 3654 2096 541
2008-05-31 8724 255 464 787 800 3588 2252 578
2009-05-31 8941 286 561 772 811 3487 2392 630
2010-05-31 9191 371 604 807 808 3368 2563 669
2011-05-31 9467 400 652 876 783 3395 2642 719
2012-05-31 9972 477 720 934 853 3546 2594 848
2013-05-31 10106 488 761 960 844 3519 2601 933
2014-05-31 10600 612 886 1044 836 3627 2613 982
2015-05-31 10981 661 946 1189 800 3678 2664 1043
2016-05-31 10953 653 986 1226 868 3567 2550 1103
2017-05-31 10802 669 976 1277 842 3431 2434 1173
2018-05-31 10669 629 1039 1245 863 3389 2288 1216
2019-05-31 10587 675 1008 1227 860 3333 2217 1267[/code]

And to depress you higher rated types, here’s a third table showing only those with a post-event rating of 2000 or higher:

[code] year count 12/below 13-15 16-19 20-24 25-49 50-64 65/up


1992-05-31 3162 9 31 94 213 2520 234 59
1993-05-31 3709 8 36 123 242 2903 321 74
1994-05-31 3593 7 36 119 200 2800 346 81
1995-05-31 3492 8 34 109 189 2692 366 91
1996-05-31 3345 13 40 103 165 2558 367 97
1997-05-31 3231 13 51 105 168 2382 407 103
1998-05-31 3046 9 43 135 171 2205 380 100
1999-05-31 2560 4 36 129 155 1777 359 98
2000-05-31 2374 4 45 119 168 1611 334 91
2001-05-31 2150 11 44 120 152 1403 336 83
2002-05-31 2154 17 33 133 182 1351 353 83
2003-05-31 2193 7 57 141 197 1326 361 101
2004-05-31 2276 14 54 151 190 1320 430 114
2005-05-31 2303 13 66 173 206 1291 443 111
2006-05-31 2185 10 69 179 219 1170 423 115
2007-05-31 2172 19 62 205 219 1072 478 117
2008-05-31 2209 17 70 200 242 1027 535 118
2009-05-31 2319 31 106 209 260 1031 564 117
2010-05-31 2388 39 115 220 277 982 613 141
2011-05-31 2522 43 123 244 283 1022 669 138
2012-05-31 2693 51 151 276 295 1083 673 164
2013-05-31 2843 51 167 288 316 1144 687 190
2014-05-31 3084 64 202 323 324 1247 737 187
2015-05-31 3290 81 225 377 311 1312 776 208
2016-05-31 3245 88 220 386 351 1278 715 207
2017-05-31 3221 88 235 419 339 1241 678 221
2018-05-31 3226 102 249 437 349 1213 643 233
2019-05-31 3130 93 251 405 374 1162 614 231
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Only 93 players, nationwide, age 12 or under with ratings of 2000 or higher? I would have thought the number would be more like 93 per tournament. :laughing:

Not a problem. I’d rather lose to a 2000 under 12 than to one 12 or older.

Bill Smythe

The U/13 experts represent about 3% of the active experts in the last FY.

I suspect if I could come up with a reasonable way to select only ‘major’ tournaments (maybe by Grand Prix points?), the percentage of players 12 and under with 2000+ ratings would be a higher percentage of the active player base.

Please hold my beer.

That 3 percent is substantially more active than the remaining 97%, and not just at major tournaments. I would dare say those U/13 experts account for 20% of all games played by experts.

I hate losing to anyone! My problem is that I face those young kids rather frequently. Out of 38 regular rated games since January, 9 have come against U/12 and 28 have come against U/16. This includes four juniors who I have faced twice this year. :frowning:

And, I would venture to guess, several whom you helped achieve their expert status (by teaching them, not by losing to them!).

Bill Smythe

After a 25 year hiatus from chess, the age of the opposition and the importance of computers have really changed things.

The only thing I dislike about the kids is that their rating lags so far behind their actual ability. It’s destroying my already paltry rating. I mean really, is an 800 rated player supposed to be well versed in not just opposition, but indirect and distant opposition? Do you expect a 900 to know how to build a bridge with king and rook?

I expect for them to be better in tactics, for sure, but I can’t even old man them in the endgame!

A bigger question may be: Are kids driving adults to abandon playing in tournaments? I have played in tournaments where kids made up 10% or less of the total entrants. I have also played in events where kids made up 75%+. There is some grumbling among older adults that they do not want to play kids because the kids are fidgety, walk around too much, eat at the board, offer draws too frequently, and do annoying things at the board. There are few options besides stop playing. Organizers, naturally, are unwilling to place age restrictions on tournaments, but there are a few who do.

Overall, there probably is not much of a problem. In areas where there are fewer players, the kids tend to play in youth events. Organizers and adults in those areas wish kids would play in more open events to help increase the size of the events. In player dense areas, where more kids play in both youth and open events, it is better for the kids’ development to play up, even if it annoys a few adults. There are some adults who exhibit the same annoying behaviors as kids: walking around too much; talking too loudly before, during, and after games; eat and slurp drinks noisily at the board; and fidget too much. In addition, they are ornery to everyone around them. Some of our players, both young and old need a good dose of chess etiquette lessons, as well as learn to bathe themselves more frequently.

I have had a large number of players contact me asking when the Senior Open will again be in Chicago (or in many cases, when can they enter next year’s Senior Open in Chicago and I’ve had to tell them its in California.)

Of those, MANY have volunteered that they don’t mind playing kids, but they are tired of ALWAYS playing kids, and like the break that an “adult” tournament offers. Several have commented how manners cause some issues - the kids who are coughing or sneezing and touching the pieces – and the adult player feels like they are getting sick.

It’s been an interesting experience. I’ll definitely bid on the Senior again if that’s possible.

Of course there is nothing to stop Mr. Bachler from organizing a “Chicago Senior” or some such with the same conditions as this year except for the title.

Alex Relyea

Plans are already underway.

In my weekend tournaments I have a senior prize to help with this.

The problem isn’t ‘seniors’. As the table posted upthread showed, in 1992 there were about 2500 seniors (age 50 or older) playing in rated events. In FY 2019 there were 2600 over 65 playing in rated events and another 4000 who were between 50 and 64.

The falloff has been in the 25-49 year old group, where numbers have dropped by about half, a decrease of over 6000 adult players, roughly equal to the total number of active senior players. Much of this is due to the ‘Fischer Boom’ era players getting older and a dearth in younger adults playing rated chess, despite huge numbers of scholastic players.

I’m afraid that as an organization of adult chess players, we are paying now for our policy failures over the last 25 or so years. It is probably fixable, it may even be fixed based on the number of strong young players we’re seeing, but there will no quick fix to the turnout problem for adults in the 25-49 age group.

I like seeing the kids and playing them. They are the future. The kids in my are are pretty much all polite. It’s nice watching them rise through the ranks. It doesn’t bother me in the least to have my hat handed to me by a 9 year-old girl.

Now that’s an adult problem!

All we need Mike are for Bill Gates and Warren Buffett to start sponsoring big prize low entry fee chess tournaments that provide additional prizes for a family team. The dad’s will all come back to chess. :unamused: :smiley:

Heh - a Whitney Houston fan…https://youtu.be/IYzlVDlE72w