Cheating on Chess.com and Other Sites: A Proposal

It has to be in their algorithm. It’s likely that because I lost the first game played with that account and then drew the next game with a presumed rating gap of around 1K points, I must have been cheating to get a draw. Therein lies a major problem with Rensche’s system, flawed assumptions.

One factor is that having played many games against this IM and taken lessons with him at least twice a month for four years, I have come to know his style of play including opening preferences. It was actually rather funny a few weeks ago on ICC when he opened with Bird’s Opening which I’ve never seen him play. I barely managed a draw because, a)we had been looking at that opening in recent lessons and b) I stayed clear of From’s Gambit and c) he had nine other opponents for a G-30+30 format. Also, simuls do vary in intensity for the simul giver. Sometimes the pool of players is better than at other times. a strong firld can work to the advantage of the players in a number of ways. Also, was the simul filled to capacity. On chess.com it generally is, but at times on ICC it is not (ICC has had full or nearly full simul fields since COVID-19 struck).

IMO, Danny Boy needs to give it a rest.

I find it odd that US Chess has partnered Chess.com and ICC to run online rated events for years, yet only now does the secrecy behind the cheating detection become an issue. Maybe Chess.com changed their algorithm or technology recently, but the secrecy has not changed one bit. I believe this kind of secrecy is universal among the major internet sites and is described in the legalese of the user agreements. (Feel free to tell me which site does publicly reveal when or how a suspect cheated. Chess.com doesn’t even say someone cheated, as the “Fair Play” umbrella is broad.)

Needless to say, the business agreement between US Chess and its online partners must have language about banning players for cheating. If it does not, then someone dropped the ball.

Perhaps it would be better for US Chess to have its own online portal, operated by its own directors. I have made this argument since the days of US Chess Live. Only then can US Chess determine its own standard and methodology for circumstantial evidence of cheating.

(When I wrote the last sentence, I thought back to the days when the US Championship was tainted by a player who, in the eyes of many observers, qualified unethically. Note that was not an online event.)

Michael Aigner

Great idea for US Chess to have its own online chess platform. I know! Let’s call it Game Parlor…

Secrecy will not last when the law suits commence. Just because all the sites trying to catch cheaters are secretive, is not a defense against violating concepts of fundamental fairness. Because they all do it does not make the secrecy of it any less disgusting.

Did you have another account open at the time? If so, they consider that cheating according to https://support.chess.com/article/596-can-i-have-multiple-accounts

Nope. I did not have another account at chess.com. I’ve never had more than one account at any given time on any chess playing site. No need to.

I’m confused. You opened a free account two weeks ago, but closed a paid account a week ago? How is that not having two accounts?

To be frank, I have been shocked by the total indifference from the lawyers of the world. ICC has been around 25+ years. Chess.com for 10+ years. I’m aware of some minor actions that never went far in the legal process. When will the Online Chess Trial of the Century start?

Michael Aigner

Clearly, you have a vast knowledge base when it comes to these legal matters. Please be so good to share with us, by platform, how many matters were settled rather than proceeding to litigation.

Despite Danny Rensch’s public statements that he and chess.com are ready to take their algorithm to court, I’m aware of two recent instances in which he backed down removing the label of account closed for fair play violation from both accounts (not mine) where the account owners (lawyers) had threatened litigation. As long as Mr. Rensch keeps folding his hand at the table when his bluff is called, you’ll likely not see your trial of the century any time soon.

No. I’ve only had one account at any given time. My prior comment about closing my account at the same time as two of my friends was inaccurate. I had closed my free account a week or so prior to my two friends closing theirs. My paid account was closed months ago.

In the age of VPNs, as Rensch has acknowledged, there’s no way to prevent anyone from simply opening another account serially, or several at the same time. I don’t believe chess.com has ever allowed one to enter as a guest like Playchess or ICC in order to try out new openings or other ideas without risking rating points.

Not everyone who closes and then opens accounts at chess.com does that because they’re cheating. We had a fellow here in Lyndonville who would regularly close his chess.com account when his rating dropped below a certain level, open a new account and start, in his words, “the losing process” all over again. Sadly, we lost track of him for over two years. I ran into him at the local Walgreens back in February where he was clearly mentally ill and had to be taken away by local police. Fortunately, I was there and was able to fill our police chief in on his background. This poor guy had lost his high school teaching position and had just become homeless. Thankfully, local PD was able to locate his parents in MA who came to get him. My understanding is that he’s been voluntarily committed to a hospital for treatment. Perhaps cheaters on chess.com drove him crazy?

I am not.

It’s online chess. Inherently, it’s largely on the honor system, because it has to be, and in the grand scheme of things, winning or losing means very little.

The one difference is that Chess.com has grown to the point where it financially has deeper pockets than other platforms past (Game Parlor) and present (Lichess probably). Thus, if as outlined in the chess.com forum post, you have a GM or IM falsely accused thereby damaging their reputation and ability to earn a living, there is more incentive to sue for defamation. Finding a lawyer willing to take on such a client becomes more likely the deeper the potential pocket is or appears to be.

Setting aside for the moment the issue raised earlier on this thread regarding possible limitations on legal actions based on terms of service, it seems potentially self-destructive for Danny Rensch to be publicly acting so aggressively. Perhaps he should do what he doing, but with a bit more circumspection.

The very point of such legal action would be to restore one’s good name in the public eye, after being branded by a Fair Play violation or the scarlet letter C. Secrecy defeats that purpose.

Over the decades, a number have written public letters condemning the administrative action and threatening to invoke lawyers. How many report success at the end of the process? Indeed the discovery phase alone would open up a gold mine for the lawyers and would change business as usual for chess sites.

I am waiting with baited breath.

Michael Aigner

From the English Chess Forum within the past week
ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.ph … &start=165

"…For most people, being banned from Chess.com would not affect their employment or other earnings. In my case, as a Category A International Arbiter, it could result in my never working again.

I am intending to play in the forthcoming European Online Chess Championship organised by the European Chess Union, but only because in that event the decision on whether to expel a player rests not with Chess.com but with the Chief Arbiter of the tournament." –David Sedgwick 5/2/2020

"…Like David, if I was publicly banned from a chess website for cheating I’d very possibly lose my job. In those circumstances it might very well be worth taking legal action against those responsible (given that I wouldn’t actually have been cheating). If this was an ECF event or a 4NCL or whoever, then, yes I’d very possible be looking to include them as well as chess.com or whoever.

In a less extreme way, the reputational damage of being associated with processes that are patently problematic is also likely to increase motivations to a make a change." –Jonathan Bryant 5/4/2020

Edited:
The problem that you, and many people, have is not really understanding how the legal process works both in and out of the courts. Settlements generally come with confidentiality agreements that are binding on the parties. Many cases are settled before a case is filed in court. However, the thread noted here in the English Chess Forum was started by the op noting a case in which Chess.com had been sued in Federal Court. Look at the beginning of that thread back in 2013. The case noted as filed in Federal Court, EDNY, was settled by the parties out of court, terms not made public in the court docket.

Regarding Danny Rensch and chess.com, the keeping of a closed account page up with the notation that it has been closed for “fair play” violation strikes me as needlessly antagonistic. Better to simply close the account and have is not there. Make the player a non-person, Comrade Rensch.

As an aside, I’ve long been interested in Soviet history, particularly the struggles of people like chess professionals, to survive, function and maintain some level of mental freedom. I’m reading Kortchnoi on the Couch and have just started The Master and Margarita. The latter, a novel, is the tale of what happens when the Devil himself visits the atheists in Moscow in the 1930’s. Both make for excellent pandemic reading…

One time, I watched one of my students playing a much higher rated player online. After the game he accused the student of cheating and using a computer in the endgame phase of the game. I thought it was pretty funny at the time, because the use of a computer to play was the last thing to think about using. I would have thought he would have made the accusation about the play in the first seventeen moves, a “book” line in the Ruy Lopez which my student partly studied and partly figured out through trial and error in other games.

Only a couple of times, the student turned to me and asked what to do. I gave a general answer and said it was the student’s choice. The correct move was selected and they moved on to the endgame. The opponent played it abysmally, much lower than a player with a similar OTB player would have conducted it. Only once in that ending did my student ask for advice. I mentioned that rook activity was better than greedy pawn grabs. I asked which pawn seemed most important to win. After about a minute’s thought, the right move was selected and the rest of the game was a massacre. Then the accusation came. It was denied. I advised the dad watching the game to no longer engage in any chat with opponents, as no good comes from that when a disgruntled player makes excuses or accusations.

The endgame was played all out of proportion to the ratings involved. The higher rated player demonstrated that his endgame skills were nowhere near what they should be. My student, out of frustration in playing badly in some other endgames, especially rook endings, had decided to pay more attention to that phase. I put together a group of endgames by Rubinstein, Capablanca, and other models to look at to get a better feel of the style and methods used. It was quite obvious to me that the work the student did had stuck. We also looked a couple of classic Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov games in the Ruy Lopez. Their clarity and some extra explanation helped in learning move orders. In some positions, it is a matter of style and temperament whether to fully close the position or keep it more open. My student chose to close the game and maneuver in a Karpovian way. The opponent went for an endgame. I thought it was too soon, but let the student figure out why.

While I offered a couple of pieces of advice, it was clear to me that the opponent was using a computer for long stretches of the game, especially the opening, which came back rapid fire. The poor endgame play came after a bad decision, which showed that the program was not up to the task. When we looked at the game afterward, that move was the first choice of the program we used to analyze, but was a bad move in general in rook endgames. After my student’s move, it flipped the evaluation and went passive, trying to hang on rather than seek counterplay. Not the first time I have seen that happen. He followed that style of computer recommendation and perished, losing key pawns, watching the king move in to put the finishing touches in a simple endgame. When we went back to the key move again, it took a while for the “best move” to pop up in the list of choices. So, if we were “cheating,” it was not with a computer. Human experience and study were being used optimally. The kid made all of the choices, some of them second best in the middlegame but not that bad, and ground the opponent down in a way you rarely see kids do.

Just a cotton-pickin’ minute. You thought your student’s opponent was cheating using a computer, so you thought it would be OK for your student to cheat using a human (you) who gave a couple of “general answers” and “suggested” that the move choice was the student’s. This, in turn, caused your student’s opponent to believe that your student was cheating by using a computer. Apparently, that opponent was wrong about the computer, but right about the cheating.

Perhaps you and your student’s opponent deserved each other, but your student didn’t deserve either of you.

Bill Smythe

I find it interesting that your student apparently saw no ethical problem with soliciting advice from a stronger player (you), and you apparently saw no ethical problem with dispensing it. Please explain how this does not qualify as cheating.

That is why online chess is so dicey. Same with correspondence chess. I cannot tell you the number of times people playing correspondence chess have asked for advice on what move to play in a particular games because they were carrying too many games to give each of them the time for proper analysis. Same for online games. I have watched friends play while I looked over their shoulder at the screen. They ask, I give them advice. It is online chess. Does not matter. Everyone knows that online chess is gutted with a form corruption as people can use fast computers, programs, books, and people to help win games. That is why their rating systems are inflated by hundreds of points. A high rating is something to show off, no matter how it is achieved for some people. You can hire me to get a high rating online though I do not know why you need one if you are weaker at OTB play. I can even tell when someone is cheating using a program. I can even teach you how to sandbag if you want. It is not that hard. If you do not play in an environment with a TD present to allow you to rectify problems, then you are at the whim and will of the system you are involved in. OTB chess has had the problem for years of higher rated players giving moves to friends and students. People walk around and talk about their games. I have had people try to cheat me in that manner. I had some Russian players do that, not knowing I knew enough Russian to know what they were doing. I won anyway. That is why I do not trust any rating system to measure the strength of a player. There are too many cheaters and sandbaggers in OTB. Caveat emptor. Once you enter the arena of tournament chess, you are a gladiator, alone. If you play in USCF tournaments you have a chance of fair play with like minded people who love the game. The big money tournaments are a different chess world where anything and everything goes.

My student used me one time for help in an online game, but was unsatisfied how unhelpful I was as I would not give best moves but only an array of choices which had to be selected from fast. There were only three occasions that I was asked for help when there was a fork in the road. The student rejected one piece of advice, which led to winning the game in a harder way. For 99% of the time, the student selected the moves. I am not worried about the ethics of it. The father suggested a number of moves, many of them weak or outright losing moves. Since the student only looked at the online games as practice of openings for OTB play, the result and rating change was not meaningful. A lot of games were played and lost just to figure out move orders in new openings. Lots of online rating points were shed in learning. Those losses were part of the process of learning, winning in tournaments, and cashing prize checks. I think that is why so many people play online, for practice. They do not care about their ratings or if they win or lose. The few who take it seriously are naive.

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Rock on that high horse. If you think that all games played online are done so without human or computer assistance, you are a bunny rabbit. When you compete anonymously on the web, expect to see that there is more evil than good. Be prepared. Do not cry if you lose to a computer assisted player. Do not cry if you are losing to a human assisted player. Hmm, I thought people wanted to play against the toughest opponent they can find. I guess not.

As far as high rated players competing online, you get what you deserve if someone accuses you of cheating. You put your reputation on the line against people who are not necessarily scrupulous. They just want to win by any means. They do not care about you or your title. You are facing gambling addicts. That is why most high rated players play online as anonymously as possible. Even then the practice is not all it is cracked up to be. Find a good player to work with. Study. Leave the online chess world to the amateurs. They just want to play and have a little fun. They don’t enjoy losing to sharks.