Game Result Disputed Next Day

[Allen]

@William H Stokes

@ChessMaine

Thanks for the replies.

The nine-year-old is the TD’s (my) daughter. Neither player can produce a record of the moves of the game in part because neither of them kept score.

How is it that a rated game was conducted without either player keeping score? If they can record 0-1 they should also be able to string together a few alphabets.

This would indicate that you have not directed any scholastic tournaments!

And what makes you think they recorded anything at all. They probably went up to a table and told the volunteer sitting there “I won.” That is difficult when both players think they have won, and they cleared the board. Or even better, when the board doesn’t show checkmate. At least with the 2nd you can put them back to playing.

[jwiewel]

@Allen

@William H Stokes

@ChessMaine

Thanks for the replies.

The nine-year-old is the TD’s (my) daughter. Neither player can produce a record of the moves of the game in part because neither of them kept score.

How is it that a rated game was conducted without either player keeping score? If they can record 0-1 they should also be able to string together a few alphabets.

This would indicate that you have not directed any scholastic tournaments!

And what makes you think they recorded anything at all. They probably went up to a table and told the volunteer sitting there “I won.” That is difficult when both players think they have won, and they cleared the board. Or even better, when the board doesn’t show checkmate.

Or when the board has both kings checkmated.

Also, some volunteers have been caught when a player comes up with his opponent, states the board played on, says he won, says his name is Matthew when asked, walks away along with his opponent, and then the volunteer notices that both players were named Matthew.

[jwiewel]

@nolan

In the absence of a completed scoresheet signed by BOTH PLAYERS, you don’t have a lot of evidence to change the result, especially that late after the game ended.

This is why signed results slips are used at major scholastic events, with BOTH players reporting to the scoring desk after a game is completed. Even that doesn’t completely eliminate the possibility of claims of mis-reported games.

At one scholastic national a player came with a scoresheet in his scorebook showing that he had won a game that was marked as a loss and the mother complaining about all of the cheating kids trying to steal points from her son. Unfortunately for him, one page earlier in his scorebook had a scoresheet with the same colors and the same opponent showing that he lost. He was ejected and the mother was shocked and asked for advice on how she should handle the kid.

At another scholastic national a coach came saying that two rounds had been mis-recorded with his player have won one round on the board and won the other round when his no-show opponent forfeited. The first round in question had a loss for him circled and both signatures. That was also true of the second round (kind of refuting the claim that the opponent never showed up). The coach apologized, said that he gave his player a chance to come clean before going to the TD room, and said that he’d be talking to that player once he got back to the team room.

[narceleb]

A practice I learned from more experienced directors is to have result slips.

Before the round starts, we verify that the right players are at the right boards. The players write their names on the result slips where there are spaces for WHITE PLAYER and BLACK PLAYER, and fill in the section, round, and board number.

At the end of the game, the players circle the result on the slip, and sign where it says WHITE SIGNATURE and BLACK SIGNATURE.

They are to raise their hands to call a TD to their board, and the TD verifies and collects the result slip before the players reset the pieces.

This has saved a LOT of trouble.

It also allows us to double-check the slips vs the results entered on the result sheet vs. what is entered into the computer.

[Allen]

That is not always possible. When there are 300 players and 3 TDs in G30 5 rounder it just doesn’t work for result slips and TD verification on board.

[narceleb]

@Allen

That is not always possible. When there are 300 players and 3 TDs in G30 5 rounder it just doesn’t work for result slips and TD verification on board.

If you have 300 kids, you have a whole host of parents who are capable of checking that slips are properly filled out and signed.

[relyea]

@narceleb

A practice I learned from more experienced directors is to have result slips.

Before the round starts, we verify that the right players are at the right boards. The players write their names on the result slips where there are spaces for WHITE PLAYER and BLACK PLAYER, and fill in the section, round, and board number.

At the end of the game, the players circle the result on the slip, and sign where it says WHITE SIGNATURE and BLACK SIGNATURE.

They are to raise their hands to call a TD to their board, and the TD verifies and collects the result slip before the players reset the pieces.

This has saved a LOT of trouble.

It also allows us to double-check the slips vs the results entered on the result sheet vs. what is entered into the computer.

Funny, I’ve never found this necessary. Perhaps we run different kinds of tournaments.

Alex Relyea

[narceleb]

I only do it for scholastic tournaments.

[Allen]

@narceleb

@Allen

That is not always possible. When there are 300 players and 3 TDs in G30 5 rounder it just doesn’t work for result slips and TD verification on board.

If you have 300 kids, you have a whole host of parents who are capable of checking that slips are properly filled out and signed.

Not really. Filled out and signed doesn’t mean the slips are right.

Also you run the risk of the parent/coach who signs off on their kid/team and then gets accused of favoritism (cheating).

[seki]

If you have 300 kids, you have a whole host of parents who are capable of checking that slips are properly filled out and signed.

Parents and coaches running amuck on the floor! ROTF,LMAO!

[Mulfish]

If you have 300 kids and only 3 TDs, you are woefully understaffed. We have built up a wonderful corp of volunteers here in Georgia. For a scholastic event of 300 players we probably have 5 TDs on the floor, one person doing infomatics and 4 or 5 people, usually parent volunteers manning the scorekeepers table. And that’s not even counting "ambassadors who greet and coordinate traffic before and in the early stages of the events, then float as needed. And yes, we use the result slip approach and have cut down on errors and disputes significantly. That’s an improvement some of our people who volunteer at national events brought back to us, and it works wonderfully. I was initially skeptical, but I was delighted to be proven wrong.

[Allen]

We regularly do tournaments that size with only 3 certified TDs. You do with what you have.

[jwiewel]

@Allen

We regularly do tournaments that size with only 3 certified TDs. You do with what you have.

A lot depends on the age range. With mild difficulty I’ve had two other TDs with me when handling more than 500 high school players, but for 300 elementary school players I’d like a fourth TD (and maybe a fifth as well).

[narceleb]

@jwiewel

@Allen

We regularly do tournaments that size with only 3 certified TDs. You do with what you have.

A lot depends on the age range. With mild difficulty I’ve had two other TDs with me when handling more than 500 high school players, but for 300 elementary school players I’d like a fourth TD (and maybe a fifth as well).

I’ve often wanted a fifth when dealing with elementary school players. Preferably a good single malt.