JTP ID Numbers

[Terry_Winchester]

Mike,

Is USCF no longer assigning 20xxxxxx numbers for JTPs? I hear that there’s numbers being assigned to both JTPs and members beginning with 13xxxxxx numbers.

I got the following sent to me by a fellow local organizer:

The problem is, there’s no way to distinguish between JTP’s and
paid memberships, as some of the paid memberships will also
have “13xxxxxx” numbers. (Technically, JTP’s will have an “expired” expiration date from the start, but months or years down the road, we have no way of knowing whether it was a JTP or a membership that expired).

I’m not yet sure what significance there is in knowing whether or not a member used to be a JTP member, as far as submitting online is concerned. Would an older player who was initally signed up as JTP (and hence, have an ID number) need to be entered online as NEW, or RENEW?

If this becomes a problem, that is, if for some reason we need to know the difference between the membership types, is it reasonable to continue assigning 20xxxxxx numbers for JTPs?

Thanks,

Terry Winchester

[jwiewel]

An ID number of 20xxxxxx is no longer a definite indicator that the player currently has a JTP membership. If you look at ID 20001492, you will see a 26 year old master and ANTD that became a JTP in the first days of that type of membership, but is definitely not a JTP now.

I would enter a dues-paying JTP as a renewal and retain the JTP number.

In the first days of JTP, some scholastic-only players opted not to renew and erroneously asked for a 20xxxxxx ID number, and were informed that the 1xxxxxxx numbers would still be used, but would only be valid for scholastic tournaments if they did not renew. In this area the growth in scholastic chess at the fourth grade and above level (and possibly in the primary level) seemed to continue at roughly the same rate with and without the JTP.

Since the 20xxxxxx does not definitely define JTP, and since a 1xxxxxxx did not definitely define a non-JTP even in the early days of JTP, I don’t see a reason to have the two different number sequences.

[Smythe_Dakota]

I think the idea of the 20xxxxxx numbers was that they could be pre-assigned.

If a scholastic organizer ordered 500 membership forms, he could be sent pre-printed ones numbered, for example, 20430001 through 20430500. That way a new player would get his ID number immediately, without having to wait for his membership card in the mail.

Bill Smythe

[nolan]

Yes, the 2X numbers were so that they could be pre-printed on those green forms, which are still useable if you have them.

However, the membership module for TD/A doesn’t need them, in fact using them will SLOW things down because you’ll have to fill out a membership exception request and then wait to have that ID manually added to the database by the USCF office.

JTP and other non-members show as non-members on MSA and the ratings supplements, so using the ‘2’ to determine whether they’re a USCF member isn’t needed.

Further, of the rughly 40,000 2X numbers that were assigned, mostly in the early to mid 1990’s, around 600 are currently dues-paying members, ranging from scholastic to life members.

[Terry_Winchester]

@nolan

Yes, the 2X numbers were so that they could be pre-printed on those green forms, which are still useable if you have them.

However, the membership module for TD/A doesn’t need them, in fact using them will SLOW things down because you’ll have to fill out a membership exception request and then wait to have that ID manually added to the database by the USCF office.

JTP and other non-members show as non-members on MSA and the ratings supplements, so using the ‘2’ to determine whether they’re a USCF member isn’t needed.

Further, of the rughly 40,000 2X numbers that were assigned, mostly in the early to mid 1990’s, around 600 are currently dues-paying members, ranging from scholastic to life members.

So, when a JTP with a number becomes a dues paying member, do we enter the player as NEW or RENEWING?

Thanks,
Terry

[nolan]

Simple rule:

If the player has a USCF ID, it is a renewal, regardless of what the previous membership type or expiration date is.

If the player does NOT have a USCF ID, it is a new membership and a new ID will be asssigned.

[Terry_Winchester]

good enough! Thanks

[Forsythe]

@jwiewel

…that became a JTP in the first days of that type of membership, but is definitely not a JTP now.

Other members that start out with 20XXXXXX, Greg Shahade and Jennifer Shahade.

[bbentrup]

and me - 20060321

[Robgetty]

So there are only 600 of us with a 20XX active out of 40,000 assigned? Sounds like a failed experiment!

(20069095)

[mvsguru]

And half of the ones I know about are strong masters?

I’d like to trade my number in for one of those. Maybe I’ll get better!

[nolan]

So there are only 600 of us with a 20XX active out of 40,000 assigned? Sounds like a failed experiment!

I’m not sure the JTP program was any more of a failure than more recent scholastic programs.

Someone who signed up as a scholastic member starting in the mid 1990’s has only about a 1.5% chance of still being a USCF member after five years.

That’s roughly the same ‘conversion’ rate as the JTP program in the 1980’s and early 1990’s.

[Robgetty]

WOW! 1.5% retention rate?? I never dreamed that it was so low.