AJG,
If there’s another TD who can certify the results of your match, that would be the way to go. Otherwise, both you and your opponent should sign the tournament/match report.
Regards,
Terry Winchester
Have done a number of matchs’ and have signed as the chief tournament director. If you do send in a match, no credit given to a assistant tournament director, unless both players are certified tournament directors, that are in the match as players.
If you do get a tournament director, then you are asking someone to watch you and your son play chess, take care of any ethical issues between you and your son, use a second tournament director with a phone call, if you and your son agree to the terms, and that you have a problem with a game. Told my assistant, if for some reason have to play as a houseman in my event, or in a match, he has the final judgement of the game.
Will help you out on this, if you and your son do have a problem, will give you my personal phone number to take care of this issue. Just send me a email, telling me the weekend of the match, will keep the cell phone on to answer the call. Just trust each other, problems can happen at any event, most tournaments there are no problems the director has too make a judgement about a game. In most events have little to do then the parings and take care of the prize funds.
If you want me as a phone tournament director will do this, just let me know the dates of the match to keep that cell phone on.
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe, local td
12313120
Thanx Doug for your kind offer, but I think we’ll try it on our own for now. If it doesn’t work out, we’ll have to start over and get you involved.
Thanx,
AJG
The reason for requiring TD’s have an established rating is so that they have experience in tournaments as players before they try to direct one. Playing in a match really doesn’t give you any tournament experience.
TD’s don’t have to be experts or masters, but they do have to know the basics of how tournaments (should) run. That’s also why there are experience requirements in addition to knowledge tests to advance to higher TD levels.
It will work out, never had any problems with a match. Having a match is more fun then having a tournament, it is just you and the person on the other side of the board. Do not worry about the match, when you send it to the federation, they rate the event in two weeks when everything is normal.
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe, local td
Since it has been more then two weeks, and a long holiday weekend: did you get that match done?
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe, Local TD
12313120
No, we haven’t had time to sit down and do this yet as I’m helping him get ready for college next year. We’ll probably do this sometime over the summer before my current certificate runs out…
Thanx,
AJG
Take your time, there is always nice weekends to play chess under a tree.
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe, Local TD
12313120
OK, we FINALLY completed the 14 game match! So, how do I go about reporting it? I’ve only reported rated QUADS and OCTOS via SWISSSYS software. Do I have to report this match on paper? If so, is there a format I need to follow and is this going to cost me a King and a Queen??
BTW, I won 9 games and he won 5. There were no draws and these games were all G30. Can I count them for both Quick and Regular rated games?
TIA,
AJG
Send it in just like you would a normal tournament, on paper or disk, whichever you prefer. No need to report each individual result in the rounds column - simply report the final result.
If on disk, the rating fee is .20/game - on paper, it’s .40/game. There’s an $8 minimum for paper and $5 minimum for disk.
I usually report matches on paper, since it seems easier to do it that way than inputting individual results on WinTD cause I’m too lazy to figure out if I can do it on WinTD (I’m sure there’s a way, and you may find it easier).
Having given you all that info, if this match was played as an attempt to achieve an established rating, it won’t fly with USCF, according to page xi of the June Rating List. It is stated there that both players must have an established rating to play a match. I think this has been the rule for a long time.
-Terry
Requirements for submission of Match play:
Both players must have established ratings, and their differential has to be less than 400 points (the latest published rating prior to the match will be used for calculating the rating difference).
Each match report must be submitted with the appropriate rating fee.
Reports need to be validated by a certified tournament director or by a notarized statement signed by both players.
The maximum rating change allowed from a match is 50 points. No player’s rating may go up or down more than one rating class within a three-year period solely through match play. Match results will not be taken into account for invitational events unless they are subsequently confirmed in tournament play.
I usually report matches on paper, since it seems easier to do it that way than inputting individual results on WinTD cause I’m too lazy to figure out if I can do it on WinTD (I’m sure there’s a way, and you may find it easier).
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Yup, that’s what I say!
Regards,
AJG
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Having given you all that info, if this match was played as an attempt to achieve an established rating, it won’t fly with USCF, according to page xi of the June Rating List. It is stated there that both players must have an established rating to play a match. I think this has been the rule for a long time.
OOPS…
Disappointed,
AJG
That rule has been posted for a number of years, the true statement should be someone that has a rating. Have called Larry King on this same question, told me that the match is ok. What they want is that the person has a rating so they can check to make sure that it is between 400 ratings points. If a person was in a match and only started to play a mach say someone with a rating of 2400, if this match was more then 25 games the person would have a masters rating as in a match that can only be rating up to 50 points one way or the other.
As you and your son does have a rating just play a match. Look Nolen talked about having a match is not the best way but did not say it was illegal.
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe, Local TD
12313120
I’m not sure I can agree.
As written, it is clear that both players must have established (as opposed to provisional) ratings. I don’t read the word “established” as meaning that a player simply has a rating. Rather, it means that his rating is based on 20 (it may be 25 now, I’m not sure) games.
Perhaps I’m wrong. I’ve never tested the policy. I’ve just always accepted what was written in the rules. Send in the report, see what happens. If USCF allows provisionally rated players to play match games, then they need to srtike the current language.
-Terry Winchester
Did have a match with someone that did not have a established rating before – it was rated. The most anyone can get is 50 points in a match, like myself in the past to get more games in with a more normal change in ratings have a match with 3 people but place it as a round robin with 3 people. If you play ten games with one player, and the two other players play ten games – you would have 10 section in the tournament. Would add a great deal of sections in your MSA.
Earnest,
Douglas M. Forsythe