Rating Floor and Ratings Calculation

[dmforsythe]

@TL/A - tournament report

Did any player win a class prize of $1000 or more? If so, you must report this information in the box below.
Enter the USCF ID, the player’s name and the prize won (Under 1800, Class B, etc) for each prize of $1000 or more:

@nolan

If not, the Executive Board created class prize floors in the first place, they could certainly authorize class prize floors below 1400. However, at present, class prize floors only exist in the range 1400-2000.

Nolan:

Why does the organizer have to report the $1,000 prize awards if the person wins a prize under the rating floor? If someone wins the under 1000 and than wins $1,000 or more, why does the organizer/director have to report it? As you made it clear, the USCF will not grant anyone a rating floor if they win a prize of that much money.

Would it be more clear, the organizer only has to report the prize awards of $1,000 or greater, only for the players that would get a prize rating floor.

[nolan]

I don’t understand your question, Doug.

Moreover, I don’t understand what answer you’re looking for.

[rfeditor]

@dmforsythe

@Tim Just

1. TDs can assign ratings (28E).

2. Bill Goichberg assigns ratings to prevent sandbagging.

3. So, in Doug’s example the player the keeps on winning those huge prizes can be assigned a higher rating by the TD.

Problem solved!?

Tim

So the organizer/director has to solve the problem the USCF itself cannot fix?

Excuse me? The organizers offering bloated class prizes for weak players created the problem. Why should the USCF be expected to solve it?

[sloan]

@nolan

The lowest floor is 1400. It doesn’t seem right to raise someone to 1400 if they win a large under 1000 prize.

No. The lowest 2xx floor is 1400. There is also an absolute floor at 0100. Money floors are evil - but if you are going to have them, then I think the player in this situation should be floored at 1000.

[nolan]

I think the Board (or at least Goichberg) is in the process of reviewing the threshholds for class prize floors, possibly raising them from $1000 to $2000.

It would be appropriate to review whether we should have class prize floors < 1400 as well. The ratings software will recognize them if present, but class prize floors are manually entered so all it would require is telling the Crossville staff to start entering class prize floors below 1400 if/when the situation arises.

[dmforsythe]

@TL/A - tournament report

Did any player win a class prize of $1000 or more? If so, you must report this information in the box below.
Enter the USCF ID, the player’s name and the prize won (Under 1800, Class B, etc) for each prize of $1000 or more:

The reason for this question, as the tournament report ask the director to report $1,000 prize awards. If someone wins $1,000 or if it happens $2,000, it does not change the problem. The organizer can still give a prize under 1400 to anyone, for over $1,000 or over $2,000.

Asking the director to report the prize awards for under 1400 over $1,000 or $2,000 – it will not matter to the USCF office. Why does the director need to report a prize of any value for any class prize under 1400? If the director reports the prize under 1400, it does not change the players rating floor. If a player wins any prize under 1400, any value of the prize is not going to do anything for the player. Than why are you asking the organizers/directors to report the prize?

When the wording is to report all the prize of $1,000 or if it happens $2,000. The organizer(s), director(s), the general public would feel it is equal to everyone. Everyone should have a class rating floor to the class they won. When you ask everyone who won the $1,000, people expect everyone should get the same equal treatment.

If the USCF is not going to give equal treatment for a prize of $1,000 or if $2,000. Than you need to change the wording, so the directors would only have to report chessplayers that won $1,000 (or if $2,000) from the established rating floors.

[Jedi]

Another reason besides not many over $1000 prizes for U1400 players is that someone rated under 1400 (on average) has a lot more rating fluctuation that those Over 1400. When I directed club tourneys every week a few years back, I would see people fluctuate from 900 to 1300 and back a lot. Just a thought.