This happened in our last monthly tourney
s/d time scramble between a master and an expert.
Master reaches oargues arguesut to promote a Pawn; he picks it up put it down chooses Q.
Expert stops clock argues touch/move and clear intent.
I rule the move leagal as rule book clearly referenced the situation. The senior TD backs me up.
I know there is a rule in the book, but doesn’t ingore touch/move and intent??
The Queen (or Rook, Bishop, Knight) to which the pawn is promoting isn’t part of the game until it’s on the promotion square and released. It’s well-established that touching a piece that’s off the board has no touch-move implications.
It is not only well established, it is specified in rule 10H.
Certainly the rule is clear, but I’m having trouble deciphering exactly what happened before he put the queen down…?
I realiIze it is in the rule. My point is it normally touch/move with intent. I’m having trouble with he did clearly touch it so this is an exception
It is touch move with intent applied to pieces on the chessboard. Since the queen was not yet on the board (or at least I think that is what you said) touching it is irrelevant to anything happening on the board.
Touch move applies once the promoted piece is released on the board.
Note that for FIDE rated events I think the rule is that touch move applies once the promoted piece touches the board even if it hasn’t been released yet.
Which probably is a superior way to handle this (with apologies to Rob). It’s a rather sharp practice to put the Queen on the board, keep the fingers on it while checking to see whether you just placed a stalemate. Of course, even sharper is to leave the pawn on the 7th, check out the situation with the Queen promoting and then decide not to even promote at all.
and that’s the rub if YOU PLACE THE PROMOTED PIECE ON THE BOARD; even with finger on it it clearly shows. it should
be same, as it is on the board. However I realize it is not
I’m afraid I (still) don’t understand Mr. Bell’s question.
Alex Relyea
It probably would help if he would edit the OP so it is in something resembling English.
I can’t figure out the OP’s obscure grammar, but if it involved picking up a queen from off the board and placing it on the eighth rank, then the FIDE rule is far superior.
Another way of phrasing the FIDE version would be something like:
“If a player deliberately causes a piece off the board to touch a square on the board, he must promote to that piece on that square if legal.”
Bill Smythe