A very good problem...$5000

I have a philanthropic organization who is willing to pony up about $2500/yr. for at least two years toward the creation and maintenance of a new chess club. So my simple question is…

If you had your drothers, what would you put the money towards?

I apologize, but I haven’t done much research yet into what would need to be done. I’ll do a search of the forums in the meantime, but I’m curious about the fantasy wishlists of those who either already run a chess club or are thinking of doing so.

thanks

eric

If I had a budget of $2,500 for the club, for the next two years, it would not all go for equipment. Myself have two standard sets, one for G/30 and longer and one for G/5 or quick. Since you have the money, it would be ideal. This is what I would get for equipment.

10 4 inch king chess set Collector series.
30 club special set (weighted).
Green boards only.
Equipment needed to support the sets and tournaments.
Having a demonstration board is nice, if you plan to use the club for some demonstration.

The club clocks, since you have the budget, 5 digital clocks but the stardard club clock should be an analog. Just because you have the budget, no point going hog wild digital clocks. Can get very good analog clocks that take care of the needs of the club. Anyway, the club members should not have a problem with analog clocks, digital clocks yes there are problems.

With my tournaments, have my personal set of a nice wood board and pieces. Find a very nice wood set and board, just to be used on board one only. The players on the board would love it, the spectators love to see the best game on a very nice board. Have chessplayers say the best stuff about having a nice board one, even if they are never on it.

If you have a USCF affiliate, just pay up on the affiliate for the next five years. That would take care of the problems or the worry about the affiliate membership.

With the rest of the money, would set away $1,000 for USCF memberships and rating fees. That sounds like a lot of money as it is, but anyone would have problems spending $1,500 in equipment. Have a drawing for a freeUSCF membership. Find some reason to spend the money on the players.

You could easily stock up your club for under a couple hundred. I would try to take that money and “invest” it into a larger tournament that would attract players.

If you invest, say $1000 for a site, have the backup for a decent prize pool, you could easily double what you have, with a successful tournament.

Depending on what the goals are of the donor, you should think wise about this and let that money work for you. People run state organizations off of less than that.

The LAST thing I would do is dump the money into the prize fund for a single event.

In fact, I’m not sure I’d put it into prize funds at all. If tournaments cannot draw enough players to cover the prize fund and other expenses, there are much bigger problems present.

If some money goes into the tournament fund, use it wisely. How about a $100 brilliancy or upset prize?

The specifics of what I WOULD do would depend greatly on the individual circumstances. What might work well in Manhattan Kansas might fail completely in Manhattan NY.

Does the club have a permanent home where things can be stored?

I would definitely buy enough tournament quality sets and vinyl boards to make sure that a good turnout is covered. Beyond that I might buy a few clocks, but I agree with an earlier post that spending more than $500 or $750 would be a waste of scarce resources.

If prize funds don’t build up permanence, what does? How about a fund to pay players willing to become TDs, buy then a copy of the rulebook and help them get to a higher level of certification? (Never underestimate the value of having a good supply of TDs.)

What about running some classes to build up a pool of players and improve their play?

How about a one-time mailing to USCF members in the area? Newsletters are OK as long as you don’t blow all the money on fancy printing. A club website and an e-mailed newsletter might be more cost effective.

Personally, I think things like simuls and GM lectures tend to have only a short term impact, unless you can turn them into a media event, and that tends to cost a LOT of money. (GMs don’t come cheap, especially ones with a name big enough to be a media draw.)

Having a tournament with a large prize money is not a bad idea. Having a large prize money does not always break even, or even come close to breaking even. If you do not have the players in the area, having a large prize award is just trowing your money away. There is an organizer in my area that had two large prize tournaments, it is clear he has lost around $7,000 - $12,000. If the area does not have a strong local base of chessplayers – a large prize would be a bad idea.

If you do run a tournament, check the tournaments in your area, check the turn out rate. Check the base of local players in your area, find out how many current USCF members you do have. If you have a affiliate, you can get a rating list of the players within your area. You will have to use the zip code for the listing. Only around half of the current USCF members will play in one rated tournament in a given year. Check the entry fee of the tournaments in the past. If the entry fee is low nobody will show up, if it is high you lose your weaker players.

If you do use $1,000 for the prize money, do not spend it all on one tournament. What builds a local pool of USCF members, is tournaments that happen six or more times a year. How many USCF members join the federation just to play in one tournament, than find themselves sick or some reason they cannot go. Use the prize money to build the local base of chessplayers, not to use the $1,000 for a huge tournament that could go to some chessplayers that does live in the area.

thanks for all the (quick) replies.

The monies are from the trust of a man who died years ago who had a great appreciation for education, so i would presume there would have to be a minimum of a strong scholastic component to the club (but what chess club nowadays doesn’t have a lot of kids?). The club might have to be named after this individual; no big deal, especially since the last name is the same as a chess opening!

i know this doesn’t sound politically correct, but I’ll say it anyway. I’d like the club to allow adult members to have an adult club atmosphere, perhaps on certain days or nights of the week. Yes, I know that kids are the future (I’ve got a 3 and a 6-year old) but adults tend to like to get together to play chess AND socialize. I love golf, but I don’t want to play in a foursome with three other 7-year-olds all the time, no matter how good they are. The existing chess club in town will have kids outnumber adult by at least 5-to-1 on club nights. Their parents congregate and socialize in the lobby outside of the playing room, while the adults who are playing are left to babysit to a degree. I know… not PC. I’d be curious how others feel about this as well.

thanks

eric

If the club has that many scholastic players, with the equipment capital, would spend the balk of the money on sets and board at the level of the scholastic players. That would be the unweighted club specials for the very young and weighted for the youth scholastic players. The weighted would be ideal for the adults and youth. Since you have a 5 to 1 with scholastic players, get the analog clocks for the club. There is no reason to go hog wild with digital clocks. If you want to talk about equipment for the club, I am going to send you a form message with my email.

Do not have a problem with the 18 an over chess club. Can understand some adults have a hard time with young players. Question becomes, does the club have a change to have more than one meeting each week? That has to be debated with the members of the club, not with the public forum, as we do not really understand everything that happens at your club.

The scholastic players are going to be your base. It would be ideal to work with the youth members. With the players under 14, it is hard to understand if the scholastic player is pushing to play chess, or is it one or both of the parents. The youth members of your club, do have a great deal energy, use it. The youth is the place your going to find the next generation of leadership. It is hard, it is back breaking to convert an older adult into a tournament director. The age group to find directors, would be in the age group of 16 - 24.

If you do have tournaments, try first the non-USCF scholastic tournaments. Make sure the club has the sets and the boards, never forget the clocks. Make sure the equipment are the same to each other. If they win, give the player a USCF membership. Trophies are fine, but use the capital to build the pool of USCF members. After a few, than run a USCF scholastic tournament. Than change the prize to a trophy.

If you get equipment, understand the average turn out on a club meeting. If the average meeting is around 20, you should have around 15 board, set and clocks. There is very little reason to have 50 clocks for an average of 20 players. Never a big fan of club equipment, as they leave the club with the help of your members. It would be best to have some storage unit with a lock and key. The problem with that theory, someone like the president and other officers have to be at the club all the time.

There is one major problem you are going to have with the club. Since you have this money this year and the money for next year. When the club has some money to spend or have money. The club becomes very political. When the club has a lot of chess equipment, the club becomes very political. What is best to do, is form a committee of the players you can trust. Even have some you question, as it is best to have the player working for you within the committee than outside the committee. Find the common ground to spend the money. Find the common ground with the goals of the committee. If you do it all on yourself, your going to find yourself in a huge fight.

Just to clarify, this club woould be a new club, not a revision of the existing in-town club. I don’t know if the 5-to-1 scholastic to adult ratio would stay the same (perhaps many of the kids will stay at the existing club); there’s no reason to think it’ll be any different.

Obviously, there might be some animosity to the start of a new club in-town, particularly if it is well funded (i.e., what did the Polgar Chess Center in Queens, NY do to existing area establishments?) Is Polgar’s place a club or more of a chess school?

There are two IMs and two FMs in-town that I know of who are heavily involved in school chess teams and private teaching. perhaps they could be an educational resource for the club!?

Eric

Must be a good size city! What city are we talking about?

i’d rather not divulge the city right now as there may be some animosity from the existing chess club. Our city population is about 500,000 The metro area has about 700,000 people.

There should not be a problem starting a second chess club. With the start up capital you have, it should not be that hard to build a chess club. Chess clubs come and chess clubs die. For a number of established chess clubs, the only way they change is when a new club is started. If you do not have the club meetings on the same day, a number of the players will go to both clubs.

In time the clubs will merge back into one club, if they share the same members with the same local values. When that happens, you find new leaders to replace the old guard. Since you have a number of young players, you have time on your side. If you established the club well, with a mix of young and the established collective.

Find a great site, have the place stocked with ideal equipment for the players. Have a number of local tournaments to draw the players from both groups. If you want the members from both clubs to get along, have tournaments. Your both in the same city, you share the same common area and common needs. Talk with all the directors in your city, find out what they think is needed to build friendships. Since you have a population, and a USCF population density to have local tournaments – run them. Having tournaments will place your chess club on the state map. Since your club is going to be so new, you got to run tournaments to be accepted.

What I can tell, your club has been a scholastic club for a long time. That is fine, it only force the scholastic players to move on after high school. This is the feeling I get when you say you have five scholastic for each adult. Building a club from nothing or being small into a accepted club in the city takes some time. It takes some time to build it from a accepted club in the city into a accepted club at the state level. The money you have is nice, money in the long run does not build accepted chess clubs. If you want your club to grow, you got to run tournaments.

Quite the windfall!

I only make a suggestion because how often does one get to dream about $5000 toward chess organization. This will be fun.

Determine the kind of club you want to have—clear vision—

1.) I would not spend money on any gimmicks. Gimmicks can be anything but they usually are self evident.

2.) I would invest part ($500)as an ongoing scholarship or philanthropic fund. This will benefit your club. Some recent examples I have seen would be “chess sets for vets” (not animal doctors) or Denker/Polgar qualifiers. “Children’s hospital” schools etc…

  1. I would establish an advertising strategy

4.) I would insure that you have a good sight.

5.) I would invest in anything that communicates excellence and class–Market well

6.) I would plan for the time when the income dries up. In other words do not spend it while you have it. Let the money be the tool that provides a foundation for long term success.

7.) League with annual awards banquet? Make it nearly self-supporting though.

Thanks for the fun—its almost like dreaming about winning the lottery.

I would re-word the original question: How can a chess club use $5000 to create a lasting increase in the number of players who attend and pay dues? That is the only goal.

Nolan gave an excellent idea, of using some $ to train more TD’s. More TD’s means more tournaments, more activity, and more people spreading the word about tournaments.

I agree with everything Nolan wrote, though I would discourage spending for more than a couple of chess clocks and sets.

Gene Milener

So far no one has mentioned computers and internet service, but this would be extremely useful if your club has a fixed location with secure storage. If not, consider a laptop with wireless capability. HP makes a very nice B&W laser printer that sells for $250 and is no bigger than a toaster oven. And don’t forget software for tournaments, Chessbase, Fritz, CT-Art, something for kids, etc.

Another idea is to start a club library of books and DVDs.

One organization that you might wish to contact is the Nashville Chess Center (nashvillechess.org), which was founded by a wealthy patron who bought a house to serve as its permanent facility. This is obviously a much higher budget operation than you describe, but they may still be willing to provide useful information about their expenses.

As regards adult meetings vs kid’s meetings: the Huntsville (AL) Chess Club meets two nights/week. Friday gatherings are held at a city-owned recreation center (mainly for kids, but some adult players usually show up, too), and Monday’s are at a local coffee shop/bookstore (adults and a few serious junior players). This arrangement seems to serve the needs of both communities quite well, and the scholastic presence on Mondays is limited by it being a school night.

Peter,

With 2500 / year,  I'd start shopping around for a permanent facility to play in.

To draw people as club members initially,  put some of that money to prize money & some advertizing.

It would be nice to begin offering some Beginner chess classes.

Kind of interesting…in all the replies, not one person mentioned insurance for the site?

My insurance costs $1300 per year. Of course, rates are higher in MA than in most other states, but his has been an ongoing issue for chess clubs for a while. Many run without the insurance. Myself, I can’t take the chance.

Also, if you set up your club as a non-profit, then you will have legal fees to create the corporation.

Again, it’s a protection of personal assets. And before anyone says this is unnecessary, the first year I was open, one of my players fell down two stairs and the first thing the person who helped him up thought was thank goodness that Donna has insurance.

Also, most facilities still want clubs to carry their own insurance.

Which then brings us to the cost of rent in a location.

Unless you are certain that you have enough club members to support the club, you might just eat up the $2500 in rent. First year of the club, it cost me $3,000 for insurance (no history of existence so I the insurance needed to be placed with an assigned risk type of pool) and $2400 for rent. I’m assuming that since you are in a metro area that rents won’t be cheap.

Also, several folks might think that schools will open their doors for clubs however, that’s another issue these days…quite often, they do not want to do so for liability issues.

And to keep the club mostly as an adult club, I would suggest a 7:30 p.m. start time and long time controls - we have Game 120. This tends to mean that very few kids will participate especially if there is school the next day. We’ve always accepted kids into the club, just many of them cannot handle the late end time. Also, the ones who have come and played know that it’s a four hour game so they are the ones who are serious about chess - it’s more of a passion than as a thing to do every once in a while.

And the other consideration on the club is consistency. If you start one, you have to have the capability of making sure that it can open every week even if you are dying in the night. Sometimes this is easier said than done. Many may be willing to play, but not everyone may be willing to commit to opening or closing…people just plain lead busy lives these days.

Spending money on a mailing targeted to USCF members in your zip code is a prime way to get started. Also what you will need to determine is if your club play will have entry fees, club dues, and prizes.

Our club charges $25 each month to enter an event and has $260 in prizes. We consistently average 12-18 players each month so obviously with the rent and insurance cost, the club is still running at a deficit. This is after 4 years of being in existence. And even though we have 12-18 players, it is not the same players every month. There is a core group of probably 8 players, but then others come and go depending on their lives. We consistently bring in a new player or two every month or so, but then also lose players due to work, kids, other commitments, travel, vacations, etc.

Each area will be different, but when our club started, there were only 4 players the first night even though the demographics would have suggested that there should be a larger pool of players.

What I find now is that many people play on the internet, but not necessarily have they played rated chess so trying to attract the non-USCF player almost makes a web site a necessity instead of a luxury in order to be picked up on a search for your town and chess. If you don’t have the capability to set up a web site on your own, then you would have the cost to do this as well.

Best wishes for a successful club and sincere hopes that the above is not discouraging to you in any way.

Welcome back to the forum, Donna.

We’re all curious (inquiring minds want to know): How did you end up handling that 5-player, 4-round situation you posted about a few weeks ago?

Bill Smythe

Hi Bill…

posted the reply on the topic second bye to keep this one clean. :slight_smile:

And I never left the forum…just didn’t realize the firestorm that had started on that topic so missed the posts. :slight_smile: