Electronic score keepers

[ESchlich]

I’ve started this topic to discuss electronic score keepers in general as opposed to the e-notate topic.

FIDE does rigorous testing of submitted devices in order to insure that the device does not provide help. This certification at least reduce might the fears of opponents that the device is helping the user. For example, the Monroi has a feature where the arbiter can review the moves that have been taken back on the device during a game. Obviously, the FIDE evaluation does not help when there is someone with a lot of money who can modify the interior or create a fake Monroi. To get the FIDE certification costs a lot of bucks.

In my opinion, we - the USCF - should only approve devices certified by FIDE. I don’t think it is worth our time or money to duplicate the certification process and I feel it is important that at least some checking is done but technically savvy engineers.

Possibly an issue that should be the subject of another topic is the ability of a device to broadcast the game live. One of the problems in cheating in chess is the ability for the person coming up with the “good” moves is to know the current position. Live broadcasts can help with this issue. Both the person running the Monroi system and anyone else who has purchased a base station can directly pick up the broadcast in a limited area. Note that if an organizer was using the DGT boards and transmitting the game(s) live to the Internet, the same problem exists.

Regards, Ernie

[GeneM]

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@ESchlich

FIDE does rigorous testing of submitted devices in order to insure that the device does not provide help. This certification at least reduce might the fears of opponents that the device is helping the user. For example, the Monroi…

In my opinion, we - the USCF - should only approve devices certified by FIDE.

…Both the person running the Monroi system and anyone else who has purchased a base station can directly pick up the broadcast in a limited area.

I have not heard that FIDE has tested or approved the MonRoi device: has FIDE done these?

If FIDE has not tested the MonRoi, I take Ernie to recommend that the MonRoi be barred from USCF rated tournaments; or am I misinterpreting what Ernie wrote?
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[rfeditor]

@Gene_M

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@ESchlich

FIDE does rigorous testing of submitted devices in order to insure that the device does not provide help. This certification at least reduce might the fears of opponents that the device is helping the user. For example, the Monroi…

In my opinion, we - the USCF - should only approve devices certified by FIDE.

…Both the person running the Monroi system and anyone else who has purchased a base station can directly pick up the broadcast in a limited area.

I have not heard that FIDE has tested or approved the MonRoi device: has FIDE done these?

If FIDE has not tested the MonRoi, I take Ernie to recommend that the MonRoi be barred from USCF rated tournaments; or am I misinterpreting what Ernie wrote?
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FIDE endorsed the Monroi a long time ago (see fide.com/component/content/a … onroi.html).

[Smythe_Dakota]

@ESchlich

… In my opinion, we - the USCF - should only approve devices certified by FIDE. …

Amen. Eventually, various other rules could be brought more into line, as well.

@Continuing

… Possibly an issue that should be the subject of another topic is the ability of a device to broadcast the game live. One of the problems in cheating in chess is the ability for the person coming up with the “good” moves is to know the current position. Live broadcasts can help with this issue. …

Perhaps helpful here might be a 3-move delay on the moves being broadcast, or something similar?

Bill Smythe

[Crume]

Rigorous testing…riiight. There is no established testing guidelines for scorekeeping technology. FIDE endorsed MonRoi through a press release.

Timers are tested under B.07…and the key point to the testing is sending four clocks and over 3000 USD to the chairman for the testing. And that’s just round one. If the timer is rejected an appeal costs another 1000 USD. The actual testers are committee members. Just one man’s opinion, but I doubt they are engineers.