Olympiad round 11

It seems like it…

What does Robson care what a bunch of amateurs say about him? Besides, objectively speaking, it is correct to say that the US team is not as strong in either the board 4 or alternate positions as other top teams (Russia, Ukraine, Armenia and China are excellent examples). This puts a great deal of pressure on our top players to win, especially when facing those other top teams. I believe we have a bunch of young stars who will develop into that 2650+ depth we need to consistently contend for gold. But we may well need to replace Onischuk in two years, so their continued development is critical.

You refuse to comment on any of the above, despite the fact that it’s been repeatedly pointed out to you. So, I’m done trying to discuss it with you. The rest of what you wrote doesn’t deserve a response.

Tiebreak order is Buchholz points first, right? (This was posted before, but I can’t find it anywhere.) If it is, maybe it finishes ARM-RUS-UKR, in that order. Without looking at the tiebreaks, I figured that Russia would have the advantage of having played every other top team…didn’t realize how strong Armenia’s Buchholz was.

Looks like Grischuk’s loss to Kamsky was pretty costly - Russia’s last two pairings probably would’ve been close to the same even if they’d drawn the US.

@ eastside
Young people DO care about what others say about them! YOU certainly do just reread your own posts. And you are no spring chicken.

@ Randy Bauer
Young people DO care about others characterizing their choice of university dirisively comparing a “chess school” (Webster) with Yale.

Tweet from Nakamura: “I carried our team through the Olympiad and today, they carried me. Robson winning today bodes well for our future.”

It’s all about me.

Yup, a team player but not a TEAM player. That’s why he’s not on MY dream TEAM.

If you don’t like my opinions, I don’t give a flying c o i t u s. :sunglasses:

As noted elsewhere, Michigan is often referred to as ‘a football school’ Duke as a ‘basketball school’ and Stanford as ‘a baseball school.’ Simply pointing out that Robson is on a chess scholarship at a school that now is putting great emphasis on its chess team isn’t derision - it is fact.

I suspect that if Hess had wished to attend ‘a chess school’ he could have gotten into Texas Tech, UT-D or Webster. The fact that he chose to go elsewhere does suggest something about his future career motivation, which is the context in which I made the comparison.

It appears you don’t wish to have contextural discussions but would rather pick fights. Carry on - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . . won’t get fooled again.

That is becoming painfully clear. Ta ta.

What part of ‘Robson winning today bodes well for our future’ is ‘all about me?’

Not everyone is willing to bend over backwards to please someone. :laughing:

The part about “I carried our team through the Olympiad”. Unsaid but implied was that he carried the team the first 10 rounds. Robson’s % was virtually the same as Nakamuras. In reality Kamsky, if anyone, is the unsung hero .

Having a more-than-healthy ego goes with being one of the top players in the world. But not all one’s private thoughts should become tweets: consider the artist formerly known as Ochocinco.

Good article in New in Chess 2012.5 on how Carlsen is consciously shaping his marketing persona with the help of a manager.

You just don’t get this ‘discourse’ thing - I didn’t ask about the first sentence. What about the second - which was specifically included by the original author - is ‘all about me?’

Try to actually answer the question this time - no points for further diversionary gum flapping.

Kamsky 77%
Robson 69%
Nakamura 67%
Onishuk 65%
Akobian 58%

Kamsky 2796 performance rating
Nakamura 2794
Onishuk 2693
Robson 2621
Akobian 2573

Statistical dead heat for Kamsky and Nakamura, performance ratings-wise, and nobody else is even close.

Now, look at the performance ratings of the medal winners on 4/5:

Armenia
2676
2678

Russia
2559
2783

Ukraine
2696
2693

The problems for the USA were not at the top.

Robson’s 69% trumps by a shade Nakamura’s 67%. It’s how many games you win lose and draw not ratings.

Randy Bauer stated in a previous reply " I just want to win!".

Well, I like to win as well, but not if I have to lose my soul. (see Matthew 16:26)

(edited to insert biblical citation)

Well, since you asked, none. That part is fine. What do you think of the other part?

I was perfectly fine with the ‘and they carried me’ part. The first part is a bit over the top, but when viewed in the context of the rest of the sentence and the following sentence, I think he was using it to make a point.

Point well taken.

If you get the chance, folks, I recommend playing through the game between Vassily Ivanchuk and Wang Hao from round 11 of the Olympiad. Ivanchuk’s closing combination is, IMHO, just plain beautiful.

What makes this particular game so beautiful is that even amateurs can understand it. Sometimes I marvel at how super GMs make chess look so easy.

[Event “Olympiad”]
[Site “Istanbul”]
[Date “2012.09.09”]
[Round “11”]
[White “Ivanchuk”]
[Black “Wang Hao”]
[Result “1-0”]
[WhiteElo “2769”]
[BlackElo “2726”]

  1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 b6 7. a3 Bxc3+ 8.
    bxc3 c6 9. cxd5 cxd5 10. Qe2 Nc6 11. O-O Na5 12. a4 Re8 13. Ne5 Ne4 14. f3
    Nd6 15. Ba3 Bb7 16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. f4 g6 18. Qg4 Nc4 19. Qg3 Qc7 20. Bxc4
    dxc4 21. f5 f6 22. fxg6 fxe5 23. Rf7 Qc6 24. gxh7+ Kxf7 25. Rf1+ Ke7 26.
    h8=Q Rxh8 27. Qg7+ Kd6 28. dxe5+ Kd5 1-0