Just wondering if anyone else had come across an issue with WinTD 4.20 when running a team vs team tournament. Specifically the issue was unique to teams with more that 4 players (alternates). The first couple rounds ran fine, then after using alternates, the team order seem to change in future rounds.
Has anyone come across this issue? Did I miss something in the settings? I have ran many of these events in the past with WinTD with no issues, but this was before the 4.2 update.
Thanks,
Do you have the “Team Tournaments” preferences set the way you want? In particular, make sure you have the “Don’t Shift on Subs” the way you want. The USAT style has that checked off, so if board one sits out, two shifts up to one, three to two, etc. If it’s checked on, if board one sits out, the substitute goes onto board one in his/her place, while board two stays put.
Ok that very well might be my problem.
I am going to set up a dummy tournament and give that a shot.
Thanks!
The problem might be a misunderstanding of what “shift on subs” means. To WinTD’s author, it means shifting everybody up one board if there is a sit-out on an upper board. To some TD’s it might seem to mean shifting the entire roster all around at will, ignoring the originally specified order.
It seems to me there are not just two possibilities, but three (or more):
Furthermore, this discussion may transcend the pairing software, and also be about the rules for team tournaments.
By “respect the roster” I mean that a team’s roster is handed to the TD, and entered into the software, at the start of the tournament, and that the player order within the team must also be specified (or possibly determined automatically by rating) at the time of entry. “Respect the roster” also means that roster order cannot change during the tournament, e.g. if X is higher (closer to the top) on the roster than Y, then X must always play on a higher (closer to the top) board than Y in any round in which X and Y are both playing. The negation of “respect the roster” would be “roster scrambling”.
By “forfeits must begin at the bottom” I mean that if, for example, a team is short one player in any given round, the remaining players all move up one board (if necessary) so that the unplayed forfeit game is on last board.
It sounds as though Tom Doan’s “shift on subs” means either A or B (“respect the roster”), while turning that option off means C (roster scrambling permitted).
It seems possible that the OP wanted to prohibit roster scrambling, and thus should have chosen A or B, but instead chose C, thinking that “no shift on subs” meant the same as “no roster scrambling” when in fact they meant just the opposite.
Bill Smythe
I’m not sure I’ve heard of a tournament that allows what you call “roster scrambling”, which sounds like it would allow the boards to be reordered from round to round. What I’ve run across are tournaments where you maintain board order (“shift on subs”) and those where you maintain board position (“don’t shift”). You can change the board order from round to round, but that’s through a separate mechanism (you have to edit the team roster). The simple method for handling substitutions is to click on and off the list of active players and hit “Change Lineups” which inserts the board by board pairings based upon the preference for handling substitutions.